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Re: 5 years ago Valve released Proton

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Post by augusto-moura »

swozey wrote: post #134
gumballindie wrote: post #102

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why not switch to linux though? You know there's some real cool hardware available out there that looks and feels way better than a mac, and battery aside, can do a lot more, is upgradeable and not locked in. Just a thought.

This is hilariously biased. This is HN, you're not talking to people who don't know what Linux is. Hell, a huge portion of us are linux engineers of various sorts. You're also in a thread literally about a linux app. Anyway. I would never, ever use Linux as a desktop environment over OSX after the experiences I've had with it over the last 20+ years. OSX GUI applications absolutely blow everything that Linux has out…

This reply is also biased, maybe we had some bad experience in the past, but the example you made, Pipewire, is one of the things I was stunned that worked out of the box. It is relatively recent but it is already installed by default on most modern distros, and no "configuration hell" required. Linux applications might not be as good-looking as most of Apple store ones, but most of them sure work.

I'm not saying that you should switch to Linux, you do you, and to be honest Linux is not that friendly anyway. But that is not reason to stone linux to death, the parent comment is not even that offensive for MacOS users, it just asks if switching to linux would be an option, as an thought

Re: 5 years ago Valve released Proton

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Post by AtlasBarfed »

DiabloD3 wrote: post #143
erinnh wrote: post #112

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is it? Not really up to date on Windows stuff, but isn’t Microsoft only using UWP for all their (new) stuff? Xbox launcher and all games on it are UWP, aren’t they?

UWP is dead, and a lot of the people who were pushing that weirdly locked in platform have been pushed out of the company. All future stuff is moving to WinUI 3.x (which belongs to the same family of C# XAML UI libraries, and Visual Studio has a wizard to help you turn your UWP app into a real C# app) and the Microsoft Store is no longer locked to UWP apps only and WinUI 3.x is officially supported on other non-CLR l…

Well, it's Microsoft, so every 5 years they release a new API/framework and declare the old one dead/obsolete. But they usually maintain backwards compatibility to their credit, and I almost never credit Microsoft with anything.

whatever was before MFC (I remember using a Charles Petzold book in 1997) --> MFC --> dotNet (many versions) --> XAML/WPF --> UWP

and I guess WinUI now.

Re: 5 years ago Valve released Proton

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Post by e12e »

gumballindie wrote: post #101
mschuster91 wrote: post #26

One thing that I'd love to see is a Proton version for M1/M2 Apple Silicon... UTM is the only thing that runs x86 VMs and for whatever reason its QEMU guest tool drivers are all completely buggy and everything is dog slow (and of course, Windows refusing to load unsigned drivers on Win7 x64 makes trying out different drivers pretty much impossible).

Surely, Apple can sponsor contributions to make it work, as Valve does.

What about the Apple tax, though? They have their own store to think of.

Re: 5 years ago Valve released Proton

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Post by sph »

everdrive wrote: post #154

I've been running solely on Linux since something like 2015. I was primarily on Linux from ~2006 or so, but did switch to Windows for a couple of years to play some Windows games. (this was before Proton really existed) I'm probably less technically savvy than a lot of the HN crowd, and I just have not ever had a significant problem running linux. For sure, I've avoided some problems by being picky about what PCs I b…

Linux is great for both the non-techie layman and the computer wiz. Those that complain are the majority on people you frequent on HN which know enough shell commands to be dangerous but couldn't unfuck a broken fstab.

Which is fine, mind you, just pointing out that most people that are NOT in tech would find Linux very usable, if not more usable than Windows.

Re: 5 years ago Valve released Proton

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Post by mmercedes »

dcgudeman wrote: post #147
hanniabu wrote: post #62

I really wish the linux community would polish off the UX for ubuntu so it's more attractive and usable for mainstream

If you think that UX polish is the reason why "mainstream" people use microsoft/apple products over linux you are really deluding yourself.

not a productive comment to call someone deluded without at least explaining why. The UX does seem like a significant hurdle to maintream adoption to me.

Re: 5 years ago Valve released Proton

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Post by sph »

haunter wrote: post #22

11 years ago today (2012, Aug 21) Valve released CSGO forever changing gaming сука блять

For the first time. I'm surprised it's been only 11 years. It feels like aeons ago since I got my MG2 rank playing competitive pretty much every day.

I guess I'll have to brush up my rusty AK one taps again when the new Counter Strike comes along.

Re: 5 years ago Valve released Proton

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Post by AtlasBarfed »

Zhyl wrote: post #63

When Proton came out I had multiple people on HN going on quite long rants about how Linux would never be viable for gaming. One multi-million-unit-selling handheld gaming system later and I don't see those arguments much anymore.

It was a safe prediction to make. Even SEGA couldn't do a console anymore, Linux was behind MacOS in games support, all app developer companies whined about Linux being unsupportable and no market. "The year of the Linux desktop" was a recurring joke (still is with the GNOME / Unity churn, Wayland switchover, snaps breaking how GUI apps interact with a filesystem, and the usual perpetual churn for churn's sake making system support and OS upgrades a crapshoot).

Re: 5 years ago Valve released Proton

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Post by swozey »

augusto-moura wrote: post #161
swozey wrote: post #134

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is hilariously biased. This is HN, you're not talking to people who don't know what Linux is. Hell, a huge portion of us are linux engineers of various sorts. You're also in a thread literally about a linux app. Anyway. I would never, ever use Linux as a desktop environment over OSX after the experiences I've had with it over the last 20+ years. OSX GUI applications absolutely blow everything that Linux has out…

This reply is also biased, maybe we had some bad experience in the past, but the example you made, Pipewire, is one of the things I was stunned that worked out of the box. It is relatively recent but it is already installed by default on most modern distros, and no "configuration hell" required. Linux applications might not be as good-looking as most of Apple store ones, but most of them sure work. I'm not saying tha…

Of course it comes installed so you can listen to audio. That isn't what Soundsource does - you CAN make Pipewire work like soundsource, though. Of course my post is biased. I gave my opinion as someone who uses both vs someone who only uses linux and doesn't know osx. Any Linux user telling me that "Linux does more than OSX" is getting my biased reply.

Per app audio redirection, per app effects, per app volume control, system-wide effects, headphone equalizer, auto change inputs/outputs etc. I haven't worked with pipewire in a long time but I had to use another app with some complicated GUI of "wires" or pipes to get the same affect. I can't remember the name of it now.

edit: Wireplumber or Mixx/Raysession, I forget. It was a huge pain comparatively.

Mixx - https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/free1/uploads/mixxx/origin...

wireplumber -https://forum.level1techs.com/uploads/default/original/4X/e/...

Re: 5 years ago Valve released Proton

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Post by mschuster91 »

e12e wrote: post #163
gumballindie wrote: post #101

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Surely, Apple can sponsor contributions to make it work, as Valve does.

What about the Apple tax, though? They have their own store to think of.

That is only a thing on i(Pad)OS. There's nothing to my knowledge preventing anyone from running their own app store on macOS - Steam purchases work fine, the entire Adobe suite does, as do Macports and Homebrew.

Re: 5 years ago Valve released Proton

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Post by fzzzy »

outcoldman wrote: post #66
stevepike wrote: post #4

Proton has earned steam my business forever. I haven't booted into Windows in over a year.

Are you saying, that it is actually a good experience to run Linux on the gaming laptop instead of Windows with Proton? I already have Steam Deck, and love it. But if I want to play games in better resolution, I might boot my Windows Laptop. Have not tried Linux with Proton. On Linux laptop I have a NVIDIA some kind of 3xxx series card.

I was pleasantly surprised to discover almost my entire steam library works.
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