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Re: 5 years ago Valve released Proton

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Post by pdpi »

outcoldman wrote: post #66
stevepike wrote: post #4

Proton has earned steam my business forever. I haven't booted into Windows in over a year.

Are you saying, that it is actually a good experience to run Linux on the gaming laptop instead of Windows with Proton? I already have Steam Deck, and love it. But if I want to play games in better resolution, I might boot my Windows Laptop. Have not tried Linux with Proton. On Linux laptop I have a NVIDIA some kind of 3xxx series card.

You're already gaming on linux with Proton on the deck. That's pretty much the experience you can expect.

Re: 5 years ago Valve released Proton

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Post by augusto-moura »

abtinf wrote: post #43

It’s been many years since I was current on the state of cross platform gaming. Is it possible that proton could become the de facto target platform? That is, if a developer builds to ensure that their game works correctly under proton, then will it also work correctly under windows? So by just ensuring it works under proton, which seems to be minimal effort, do they get access to the expanded market for “free”? Do a…

Support for Proton doesn't imply full support on Windows out of the box, although it should be easier to fix problems on Windows than the other way around.

The thing is, currently, having a game built for Windows directly produces a much more performant game on Windows. Wine still has some hiccups here and there.

Re: 5 years ago Valve released Proton

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Post by baq »

memefrog wrote: post #53
baq wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sad? A bit. Wrong? Not in the slightest. WinAPI is the stable Linux ABI now, that’s simply the status quo.

Repeating this FUD meme over and over again does not make it true. Yes we get it. You read an upvoted HN comment once that said "Windows API is the stable Linux ABI now" and know you can get upvoted if you just repeat it. But it is simply false.

My steam deck doesn’t need opinions to work. It just does.

Re: 5 years ago Valve released Proton

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Post by stonogo »

jauntywundrkind wrote: post #3

I don't know how common it is, but the AI War developers posted recently about their new game & said Steam recommended they drop their Linux port, saying that just relying on Proton would be better performing & a better use of time. I'm very curious how widespread this advice is. It's a little sad & ironic to me if Proton is now entrenching Windows as the only target platform. I'm hoping this wasn't blanket advice Va…

Seems a pretty obvious way to preserve value-add in the face of competing game services. GOG and so forth don't have Proton, so the simplest moat to build is to curtail native Linux development and protect Proton's status as the "default" approach to getting games running there.

Re: 5 years ago Valve released Proton

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Post by stevepike »

thewataccount wrote: post #87
outcoldman wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are you saying, that it is actually a good experience to run Linux on the gaming laptop instead of Windows with Proton? I already have Steam Deck, and love it. But if I want to play games in better resolution, I might boot my Windows Laptop. Have not tried Linux with Proton. On Linux laptop I have a NVIDIA some kind of 3xxx series card.

I've used linux as my desktop for 2+ years. The games I play like CSGO work very well*, you have a steamdeck so you know how game support especially with anti cheat is. However, I've had many bugs. Nvidia on linux is painful. Just linux things - I get a bar at the top of the game when starting sometimes and have to change my resolution back and forth to fix it, I've had to restart pipewire to get my audio to reappear…

Mostly agreed to all this.

I've had a better experience since I switched from arch to ubuntu. For example steam remote play works w/ my Apple TV upstairs. Under arch I couldn't ever get it to work.

I've had mixed experience with AMD vs Nvidia. I bought a 5700xt which was way less reliable than my old nvidia 980ti, which never once crashed under linux. I upgraded to a 6700xt last year and that's been smooth. I'd originally bought the AMD card hoping to run Wayland but am still on X11.

I'm mostly playing single player games.

Re: 5 years ago Valve released Proton

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Post by augusto-moura »

MBCook wrote: post #90
stetrain wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yep, if Apple could get over their stubbornness and work with Valve on this it would be fantastic for customers of both companies. Apple has done some work with their game porting toolkit to support certain flavors of DirectX games with a combo of Wine and Rosetta. But this isn’t officially pitched as tool for end users to run Windows games.

> if Apple could get over their stubbornness and work with Valve Maybe Value should give more an 10% of a thought to the Mac and make Steam not be terrible on the Mac first. They don’t care about the Mac. They only care about Linux because it lets them ship the Steam Deck and have a hedge against MS. The Mac is worse than an afterthought.

Valve already had Wine on Linux to work with. Although we have Wine on Mac now, it is a subpar experience. Aside from that, Vulkan on MacOS never received official support from Apple

I would say Valve stand on the shoulder of giants with Wine and Vulkan, they just had tl connect the dots between the two.

If Apple itself would respect its gamer users it could spend sometime on these open projects, but knowing Apple, if they do anything it would be on a closed-source vendor lock-in style

Re: 5 years ago Valve released Proton

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Post by stevepike »

outcoldman wrote: post #66
stevepike wrote: post #4

Proton has earned steam my business forever. I haven't booted into Windows in over a year.

Are you saying, that it is actually a good experience to run Linux on the gaming laptop instead of Windows with Proton? I already have Steam Deck, and love it. But if I want to play games in better resolution, I might boot my Windows Laptop. Have not tried Linux with Proton. On Linux laptop I have a NVIDIA some kind of 3xxx series card.

For me it is. Partly though that's because I boot windows so rarely that when I do I have to sit through a whole bunch of updates.

I prefer linux to windows generally so the ability to game without re-booting is a bonus on top of that. If I preferred being in windows I wouldn't run linux just for gaming.

Re: 5 years ago Valve released Proton

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Post by kcb »

mschuster91 wrote: post #26

One thing that I'd love to see is a Proton version for M1/M2 Apple Silicon... UTM is the only thing that runs x86 VMs and for whatever reason its QEMU guest tool drivers are all completely buggy and everything is dog slow (and of course, Windows refusing to load unsigned drivers on Win7 x64 makes trying out different drivers pretty much impossible).

Blame Apple for not implementing Vulkan on their GPUs. If they had a fully compliant Vulkan driver I'm sure gaming on Mac would be at parity with Linux very quickly.
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