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How will they prevent it?
Force the move to their UWP platform even more? Only release DirectX 13 with UWP support etc.
UWP is dead.
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This is only because of the nature of dynamic linking. Have a statically linked executable and you should be fine. Not that it should be an issue to get old software to run you simply need to download the dependent lib versions. Anyone who sais this i feel hasnt worked very much with software, not that you should need to thats up to the one distributing the executable
What you mean is: the only stable ABI in Linux is the Linux kernel’s itself. Windows is the opposite: the only stable ABI is the dynamically linked user space ABI. So yes, it’s perfectly possible to have a stable dynamic ABI across a dynamically linked boundary.
There used to be operating systems where the only stable interface was glibc.
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Are you saying, that it is actually a good experience to run Linux on the gaming laptop instead of Windows with Proton? I already have Steam Deck, and love it. But if I want to play games in better resolution, I might boot my Windows Laptop. Have not tried Linux with Proton. On Linux laptop I have a NVIDIA some kind of 3xxx series card.
I found that Elden Ring ran better on Proton on Linux than on native Windows on the same device. Loaded faster and ran more smoothly. I do not know why.
I wonder if that has to do with anticheating mechanisms having to do a lot less work on a wine-based windows system than a full blown windows install.
Re: 5 years ago Valve released Proton
#84I'd love to go Linux full-time on my gaming machine, but for now VR (Beat Saber, primarily) is keeping me tethered to Windows. It's no fault of Valve's, though… the blame falls entirely on Facebook for insisting on their proprietary Oculus client, not supporting Linux with that client, and not doing anything to make that client work with Proton/WINE.
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#86Proton has earned steam my business forever. I haven't booted into Windows in over a year.
I got rid of windows decades ago, so Steam has been the number one cause for my drop in productivity the last few years. And I love it.
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#87Proton has earned steam my business forever. I haven't booted into Windows in over a year.
Are you saying, that it is actually a good experience to run Linux on the gaming laptop instead of Windows with Proton? I already have Steam Deck, and love it. But if I want to play games in better resolution, I might boot my Windows Laptop. Have not tried Linux with Proton. On Linux laptop I have a NVIDIA some kind of 3xxx series card.
I've used linux as my desktop for 2+ years.
The games I play like CSGO work very well*, you have a steamdeck so you know how game support especially with anti cheat is.
However, I've had many bugs. Nvidia on linux is painful. Just linux things - I get a bar at the top of the game when starting sometimes and have to change my resolution back and forth to fix it, I've had to restart pipewire to get my audio to reappear, I've had to replace pulse with pipewire (mid game).
Linux is not smooth, ESPECIALLY with nvidia. If the games you play are well supported, use AMD graphics, and doesn't tinker with their system at all, on a very stable OS - maybe you could call it stable?
Also if you want smooth - for the love of god don't use a rolling distro. If you check the arch wiki you'll see various nvidia/steam/wine/proton issues occur every few weeks. Many completely break playing games for several days unless you downgrade packages.
tl;dr - I would not recommend linux as a desktop to anyone who doesn't mind having their nose in their terminal desperately trying to figure out why you have no audio while your friends grow tired waiting for you.
The steamdeck specifically is very well managed by valve and I'm incredibly impressed that they made it work so well.
Re: 5 years ago Valve released Proton
#88Proton has earned steam my business forever. I haven't booted into Windows in over a year.
Are you saying, that it is actually a good experience to run Linux on the gaming laptop instead of Windows with Proton? I already have Steam Deck, and love it. But if I want to play games in better resolution, I might boot my Windows Laptop. Have not tried Linux with Proton. On Linux laptop I have a NVIDIA some kind of 3xxx series card.
Gaming on a Linux laptop with AMD CPU and Nvidia GPU was pretty good for the 2 months I did it. Not great but definitely good. Biggest problem was with a AAA game on launch day. It actually worked decently, but had a crashing bug that was quickly fixed, and the performance was never as good as what it was once I switched back to Windows and ran that game. Another game had an issue with connecting to multiplayer games that I never resolved, but otherwise worked as well as Windows (for single player.) Everything else I played seemed basically the same as my experience in Windows.
Longer version: https://www.retorch.com/blog/linux-mint.htm
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#89Threw my Windows partition away 4 years ago and haven't looked back since. Steam has earned my business with their work on Proton.
I keep windows for 1 reason: call of duty. all those games with kernel level anticheats have trouble running on linux apparently :\
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#90One thing that I'd love to see is a Proton version for M1/M2 Apple Silicon... UTM is the only thing that runs x86 VMs and for whatever reason its QEMU guest tool drivers are all completely buggy and everything is dog slow (and of course, Windows refusing to load unsigned drivers on Win7 x64 makes trying out different drivers pretty much impossible).
Yep, if Apple could get over their stubbornness and work with Valve on this it would be fantastic for customers of both companies. Apple has done some work with their game porting toolkit to support certain flavors of DirectX games with a combo of Wine and Rosetta. But this isn’t officially pitched as tool for end users to run Windows games.
> if Apple could get over their stubbornness and work with Valve
Maybe Value should give more an 10% of a thought to the Mac and make Steam not be terrible on the Mac first.
They don’t care about the Mac. They only care about Linux because it lets them ship the Steam Deck and have a hedge against MS.
The Mac is worse than an afterthought.