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Re: 5 years ago Valve released Proton

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Post by memefrog »

brigade wrote: post #21
crickey wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is only because of the nature of dynamic linking. Have a statically linked executable and you should be fine. Not that it should be an issue to get old software to run you simply need to download the dependent lib versions. Anyone who sais this i feel hasnt worked very much with software, not that you should need to thats up to the one distributing the executable

What you mean is: the only stable ABI in Linux is the Linux kernel’s itself. Windows is the opposite: the only stable ABI is the dynamically linked user space ABI. So yes, it’s perfectly possible to have a stable dynamic ABI across a dynamically linked boundary.

>Windows is the opposite: the only stable ABI is the dynamically linked user space ABI.

... to the kernel. So not the opposite at all. In fact exactly the same.

Re: 5 years ago Valve released Proton

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Post by Zhyl »

When Proton came out I had multiple people on HN going on quite long rants about how Linux would never be viable for gaming.

One multi-million-unit-selling handheld gaming system later and I don't see those arguments much anymore.

Re: 5 years ago Valve released Proton

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Post by erinnh »

stevepike wrote: post #4

Proton has earned steam my business forever. I haven't booted into Windows in over a year.

Absolutely agree.

I was starting to diversify my store fronts before Valve came out with the Deck.

But the release of it and the message it sent (that they take this seriously), made me reverse course and now I always buy my games on Steam, even if it costs 10 euro more.

Re: 5 years ago Valve released Proton

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Post by outcoldman »

stevepike wrote: post #4

Proton has earned steam my business forever. I haven't booted into Windows in over a year.

Are you saying, that it is actually a good experience to run Linux on the gaming laptop instead of Windows with Proton? I already have Steam Deck, and love it. But if I want to play games in better resolution, I might boot my Windows Laptop. Have not tried Linux with Proton. On Linux laptop I have a NVIDIA some kind of 3xxx series card.

Re: 5 years ago Valve released Proton

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Post by FirmwareBurner »

johnny22 wrote: post #25
FirmwareBurner wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

On the topic of GE, anyone try his custom Fedora distro, Nobara[1] and has any feedback on it? Is it daily-drivable on a laptop without any issues, and stable long term without any breakages? Not just for gaming, but for daily entertainment and productivity task of those with one distro for everything? I tried installing it a while back and found the default installer partitioning much more janky and messed up GRUB m…

I've only heard good things about it, but i see no reason to use it. making fedora do what it does is easy enough.

>i see no reason to use it. making fedora do what it does is easy enough

Yes, people working in tech and with free time can do that, but many don't want to go down that rabbit hole anymore and fiddle with their OS to get it to where Nobara is, and would rather go for something that's already preconfigured out of the box for the best gaming experience where everything is already set and you can immediately start installing and playing games after installing the OS, similarly to Windows is. That's the whole point of these distros.

Re: 5 years ago Valve released Proton

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Post by seabrookmx »

FirmwareBurner wrote: post #8
jauntywundrkind wrote: post #3

I don't know how common it is, but the AI War developers posted recently about their new game & said Steam recommended they drop their Linux port, saying that just relying on Proton would be better performing & a better use of time. I'm very curious how widespread this advice is. It's a little sad & ironic to me if Proton is now entrenching Windows as the only target platform. I'm hoping this wasn't blanket advice Va…

>Steam recommended they drop their Linux port, saying that just relying on Proton would be better performing & a better use of time. I'm very curious how widespread this advice is. It's a little sad & ironic to me if Proton is now entrenching Windows as the only target platform. Very. Win32 ABI is the most stable and rock solid compared to the messy moving target of the Linux world, so recommending it is not entrench…

The other technical solution to this problem is flatpak (and the others in this space). They vendor the libs (including libc) so you avoid the linking issues.

In the gaming world where steam installs apps itself and you need the Windows version for commercial viability anyways, it does make sense to push them to win32.

Outside of gaming though, I don't really see this being the case. You random desktop apps are better off with flatpak and distros like Fedora are already moving everything that direction. Flathub also has the benefit of allowing devs to push to one repo and support multiple distros (again, like Steam).

Re: 5 years ago Valve released Proton

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Post by nstbayless »

outcoldman wrote: post #66
stevepike wrote: post #4

Proton has earned steam my business forever. I haven't booted into Windows in over a year.

Are you saying, that it is actually a good experience to run Linux on the gaming laptop instead of Windows with Proton? I already have Steam Deck, and love it. But if I want to play games in better resolution, I might boot my Windows Laptop. Have not tried Linux with Proton. On Linux laptop I have a NVIDIA some kind of 3xxx series card.

I found that Elden Ring ran better on Proton on Linux than on native Windows on the same device. Loaded faster and ran more smoothly. I do not know why.

Re: 5 years ago Valve released Proton

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Post by imtringued »

outcoldman wrote: post #66
stevepike wrote: post #4

Proton has earned steam my business forever. I haven't booted into Windows in over a year.

Are you saying, that it is actually a good experience to run Linux on the gaming laptop instead of Windows with Proton? I already have Steam Deck, and love it. But if I want to play games in better resolution, I might boot my Windows Laptop. Have not tried Linux with Proton. On Linux laptop I have a NVIDIA some kind of 3xxx series card.

People still use windows?
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