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Windows 11 has made the “clean Windows install” an oxymoron

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Re: Windows 11 has made the “clean Windows install” an oxymoron

#151

The year of the Linux Desktop is finally here. Not because Linux solved any of it's problems or added long-awaited features, no. Just because Windows gets shittier every day by adding more crapware, dark patterns, telemetry, and nudging dialogs.

The standard Year of the Linux Desktop acceptance speech hasn't changed often in 20 years. The, "We fixed X now, so people will actually use it!" one only gets used on special occasions. 'X' being literal in most of them.

Re: Windows 11 has made the “clean Windows install” an oxymoron

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The modern iteration of the Start menu is a particular travesty and has been rendered all but unusable in order to push you to Bing by accident. Microsoft simply must believe that Windows can survive the users hating this crap, and I fear they are right. For myself 11 was bad enough to finally try out Steam on Debian and was pleasantly surprised. KDE is closer to being the Windows desktop I want than Windows 11 is, w…

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Re: Windows 11 has made the “clean Windows install” an oxymoron

#153

I keep seeing headlines about Microsoft adding adverts to Windows and whatnot but none of it ever appears infront of me. Is that because I'm on Windows Pro?

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Oh yeah, Windows key + A = Quick Actions

I dont really ever go into Quick Actions or use notifications in windows

Genuinely had not noticed there are ads in there. But there are, you are right. Well, I see a single 'suggested app' advert for a game.

Also I disabled web results in Windows Search a while back, maybe that helped

Re: Windows 11 has made the “clean Windows install” an oxymoron

#154

I keep seeing headlines about Microsoft adding adverts to Windows and whatnot but none of it ever appears infront of me. Is that because I'm on Windows Pro?

I'm not aware that anyone's properly reverse-engineered it, but based on what I've heard anecdotally I suspect some of it is eliminated by not using a Microsoft account, and some of it is eliminated by operating in certain regions or languages (perhaps due to not having a localized version of the campaign, or due to compliance concerns around advertising regulations and consumer protection laws in jurisdictions where…

Right. I use a microsoft account buit I'm in Europe so maybe that helps

Re: Windows 11 has made the “clean Windows install” an oxymoron

#155

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And Android ROM stuff. All the vendor-specific ROM flashing apps are Windows only and I don't have the balls to run it via Wine. Sadly not even macOS (my main system) is an option.

There are usually linux alternatives. Heimdall is a pretty good alternative to Odin

I started this thread and I will chime in on this

Lmao nah that shit doesn't work

Re: Windows 11 has made the “clean Windows install” an oxymoron

#156
This article really resonated with me, I was a Windows fan for 25 years and it captures why I can't use it anymore - it increasingly feels like Microsoft owns the computer and you're just along for the ride.

One of my colleagues maintains a Windows box at home, and tells me he hates opening the thing because whenever he does the OS gives him "chores" to do - you _must_ update this bit, you need to listen to this offer, etc. Like, you're the computer and I'm the human! I give you the work, not the other way around.

Anyways, the sum of my rant is I finally switched to PopOS. It's been surprisingly smooth, especially with Proton making Linux gaming so easy. If anybody is thinking of doing it, now's the time to try it out.

Re: Windows 11 has made the “clean Windows install” an oxymoron

#157
post #98

Ugh. I’m OS homeless. Windows is full of garbage. MacOS jumped the shark on UI and is irritating in so many ways as it tries to be some Frankenstein’s monster of a desktop and mobile-inspired UI. And Linux is incapable of watching videos in a browser without destroying my CPU (Nvidia lacks hardware video decoding on Linux) and continues with all the classic “engineers don’t do UX” problems. Not one option feels “good…

I feel exactly like that on bad days. On good days though, I'm happy using a heterogenous environment. I can use a Mac to play games or watch movies; Linux to productively write backend code rather than waste time fighting Docker-in-VM; or OpenBSD to feel a brief, soothing wave of sanity. I think there is still hope for Windows as well. It's basically like the Star Trek movies: every bad release seems to be followed…

The "every other Windows release" rule is very real, basically since Win95

Re: Windows 11 has made the “clean Windows install” an oxymoron

#158

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Windows is nowadays required for maybe 2 major things: games (I know, Wine is a thing, but let's be honest: it is very much still a hit or miss), and some video conference software (e.g. webex with camera). I install Windows only for job interviews. Usually I install it 2 days ahead, and keep running windows update repeatedly, until it finally finishes with everything, and I can use the system for a 30 minutes call,…

> Windows is nowadays required for maybe 2 major things: games (I know, Wine is a thing, but let's be honest: it is very much still a hit or miss) I'll be honest: I find it that it's very much a hit nowadays, rather than a miss. With Valve doing so much work around Proton I can basically buy a random Windows-only game off Steam and... it just works. I don't even remember anymore a time when a game I wanted to play di…

Seconded, Proton has made it absurdly easy, to the point where if you aren't told there's a compatibility layer it's hard to know it's even there.

Re: Windows 11 has made the “clean Windows install” an oxymoron

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Okay; very contrasting opinion here: I use Windows 10 Enterprise, and I don't have any of the crud. I'm holding off on upgrades to Windows 11 until there's a killer feature there that I really need on Windows 10, and so far... nothing yet. As a developer, I use Windows... a lot . I can't imagine writing complicated C++ without Visual Studio; the debugger is just that good. I regularly script and administer my install…

98 was great Millenium Edition sucked XP was great Vista sucked Windows 7 was great Windows 8 sucked Windows 10 was (is) great Windows 11 sucks At this point it’s a tradition. Stick to Windows 10 until Windows 12 comes I guess

Can’t believe you missed the greatest: Windows 2000

Re: Windows 11 has made the “clean Windows install” an oxymoron

#160

Ugh. I’m OS homeless. Windows is full of garbage. MacOS jumped the shark on UI and is irritating in so many ways as it tries to be some Frankenstein’s monster of a desktop and mobile-inspired UI. And Linux is incapable of watching videos in a browser without destroying my CPU (Nvidia lacks hardware video decoding on Linux) and continues with all the classic “engineers don’t do UX” problems. Not one option feels “good…

>Not one option feels “good” to me. There’s just levels of tolerable. isn't that just life in general? You compromise with family, with where you work, with how much you pay for stuff at the store, even with your own mind. Nothing is ever ideal.

Many people feel those things are better than tolerable. And older macOS felt good to them seemingly.
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