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Why bumblebees love cats and other beautiful relationships (2021)

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Re: Why bumblebees love cats and other beautiful relationships (2021)

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This. Domestic cats are some of the most specialized killing machines in nature. Everything is raw murder machine. Massive muscle to weight ratio, optimized for extreme agility. 30mph top speed blows the doors off nearly anything it may encounter in nature. Tail allows for balance while running. Able to jump multiple times its own height. Able to fall a multiple of it's jump height. 20 built-in claws also act as tool…

Also absurdly fast reaction time means even a snake is not a threat.

I’ve read that they also attack reptiles in a way that exploits a reptilian weakness, which is their greatly reduced (relative to mammals) capacity for dealing with lactic acid buildup. They goad snakes, etc into repeated dramatic movements which causes their muscles to quickly saturate with lactic acid, greatly reducing their mobility.

Re: Why bumblebees love cats and other beautiful relationships (2021)

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I know you specifically asked about rats but domestic cats are killing machines. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/23360987/ We estimate that free-ranging domestic cats kill 1.4-3.7 billion birds and 6.9-20.7 billion mammals annually.

This. Domestic cats are some of the most specialized killing machines in nature. Everything is raw murder machine. Massive muscle to weight ratio, optimized for extreme agility. 30mph top speed blows the doors off nearly anything it may encounter in nature. Tail allows for balance while running. Able to jump multiple times its own height. Able to fall a multiple of it's jump height. 20 built-in claws also act as tool…

> Able to fall a multiple of its jump height

My understanding is that it's higher than their terminal velocity, which makes any height fairly low risk. They can be expected to survive falling out of an airplane, for example.

Re: Why bumblebees love cats and other beautiful relationships (2021)

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Bumblebees always seemed pretty docile in my experience. Come to think of it, I can't recall ever being stung by an actual bee. Asshole wasps are another story.

I got stung by a bumblebee while hiking once. My friend and I had stopped to chat with some other hikers and this big slow fuzzy bee buzzes over, lands on my arm, stings me, then just flys away. There was no sudden movement, we hadn't just invaded their nest, or really any reason for it to sting me that I could see. It hurt as bad as any other sting I've ever had.

Maybe he didn't like whatever subject you and your friend were discussing. :P

Re: Why bumblebees love cats and other beautiful relationships (2021)

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Reminds me of the neighbors across the street who were too lazy to get rid of an old half-barrel planter on their porch that was full of dirt and nothing else. It had hundreds of holes in the soil. Bumblebee nests. Every day, they'd take the chance of getting bopped by one of them as they entered or exited their home.

That sounds awesome, actually. I'd love to attract bumblebees. I like to watch them, and love the sound they make, plus all the benefits of native pollinators... Bumblebees are usually not aggressive, though they can sting multiple times (like wasps and unlike honeybees).

I have a lavender bush in my front yard. Besides smelling nice to people, bumblebees seem to love it. I often see half a dozen to a dozen at least as I go by. Other lavender bushes in the neighborhood always have bumblebees, too. (And the lavender bush also seems to be pretty low maintenance; it was there when we moved in a decade ago and seems to be thriving while I've just left it alone.)

Re: Why bumblebees love cats and other beautiful relationships (2021)

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And how often did that then actually happen? Maybe they left it there intentionally?

Bumblebees always seemed pretty docile in my experience. Come to think of it, I can't recall ever being stung by an actual bee. Asshole wasps are another story.

I have to stand up for the poor, misunderstood wasp ;) First of, most kinds of wasps are not especially aggressive, for example consider the hornet or any of the solitaries. The ones you are probably thinking of when you say "asshole wasps" are the Common Wasp, the German Wasp and the Yellowjacket, which are all social nest builders. They are also very well adapted to human habitats, so we often occupy the same space. I had to spend two seasons with nests of German Wasps near my porch (they are a protected species and only moved if absolutely necessary) before they were driven out by hornets (another social wasp).

Thus I can only talk about the Common and the German Wasps with confidence. Those are not assholes most part of their short lives. They are animals and as such show predictable behaviour. Corner them, squeeze them, go near their nest, or suffocate them (e.g. breath on them) and they defend themselves. Otherwise, a busy worker wasp will just ignore you, just like a bee would.

Unfortunatly worker wasps are only busy 9/10 if their lives. The last 1/10 are a spent in a drunken stupor. Once the nest closes down the worker wasps suddenly become homeless and unemployed. Devoid of purpose, they spend their remaining days binging on sugar and fat, looking for brawls (a little bit like football hooligans). Unfortunatly the hunger for sugar and fat brings them even more in contact with humans, because we are a ready source for all of this.

Still, we can manage, most of us are smarter than them. If you have a fixed position, e.g. a porch, take packaging paper and rumple it into a football sized contraption resembling a social wasps nest and hang it somewhere visible. Wasps try to avoid other nests. If you are lucky hornets nest nearby. Hornets are usually docile, very easy to spot and avoid, but they are fierce nest protectors. They also like to snack on wasps.

When camping, sacrifice a beer or other sugary substance by putting it very accessible in a bowl a 5 or so metres away from where you are sitting. Coordinate with your neighbors if it is crowded ;) Even hooligan wasps prefer the troublefree beverage to zipping around other troublesome animals (i.e. us). Last but not least, you can almost always wave individual wasps aside. Take a sheet of paper or handheld fan and slowly produce an airstream to keep them away from that sugary pie-hole in your face.

I have only been stung once in the last 10 years or so and only because the poor thing got entangled in my shirt and panicked.

Re: Why bumblebees love cats and other beautiful relationships (2021)

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You missed a crucial bit of the abstract (my emphasis): > We estimate that free-ranging domestic cats kill 1.4-3.7 billion birds and 6.9-20.7 billion mammals annually. Un-owned cats, as opposed to owned pets, cause the majority of this mortality. From the text of the paper, "majority" means 69% for birds and 89% for mammals. Feral cats kill a lot of animals, because that's what they eat. Pet cats do not. "Domestic ca…

The last cat I had that was allowed to go outside was a fearsome mouser, delighted in toying with them and was quite the biology teacher, showing off their inner anatomy to us kids. However, birds mercilessly teased him as he had no clue how to catch one, surrounding him while he lay on the grass, chirping, then flying just far enough away when he'd move towards them.

A neighbors cat was being harassed by a bird once. It would dive bomb the cat then fly away quickly. It did this multiple times while I watched. The cat got tired of it after a while and stood perfectly still. The bird swooped down toward it and, just as it was close enough, the cat leapt in the air twisting its body upside down mid leap and grabbed the bird from the air. It was the first time I saw how a normal cat could be such an effective natural killer.

Re: Why bumblebees love cats and other beautiful relationships (2021)

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I know you specifically asked about rats but domestic cats are killing machines. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/23360987/ We estimate that free-ranging domestic cats kill 1.4-3.7 billion birds and 6.9-20.7 billion mammals annually.

This. Domestic cats are some of the most specialized killing machines in nature. Everything is raw murder machine. Massive muscle to weight ratio, optimized for extreme agility. 30mph top speed blows the doors off nearly anything it may encounter in nature. Tail allows for balance while running. Able to jump multiple times its own height. Able to fall a multiple of it's jump height. 20 built-in claws also act as tool…

Edit 2: Did I mention absolute stealth and, in some breeds, camouflage?

Re: Why bumblebees love cats and other beautiful relationships (2021)

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> History is full of such attempts, almost always gone wrong, to modify the presence or the activities of single species.

This kind of cascading side effects can actually work out. The best example is the reintroduction of the wolf in Yellowstone [1], but similar effects have also been observed in Germany [2]. Another "key species", at least here in Europe, is the beaver [3], because its creation of wetlands aside of rivers creates an entire ecosystem for birds and reptiles.

[1] https://www.yellowstonepark.com/things-to-do/wildlife/wolf-r...

[2] https://www.quarks.de/umwelt/tierwelt/der-wolf-zurueck-in-de...

[3] https://www.spiegel.de/wissenschaft/natur/artenvielfalt-bibe...

Re: Why bumblebees love cats and other beautiful relationships (2021)

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I know you specifically asked about rats but domestic cats are killing machines. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/23360987/ We estimate that free-ranging domestic cats kill 1.4-3.7 billion birds and 6.9-20.7 billion mammals annually.

This. Domestic cats are some of the most specialized killing machines in nature. Everything is raw murder machine. Massive muscle to weight ratio, optimized for extreme agility. 30mph top speed blows the doors off nearly anything it may encounter in nature. Tail allows for balance while running. Able to jump multiple times its own height. Able to fall a multiple of it's jump height. 20 built-in claws also act as tool…

Direct registering walking, too (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8riT_b8xbxg). Whiskers to feel air currents, sense prey close to their face, and estimate the dimension of holes. Swiveling ears to precisely locate faint scurrying sounds. Raspy tongues to hold prey. 200-degree visual fields with crazy-good motion detection.

I love my cats, but I often think about how utterly terrifying they'd be if I were prey-sized. (I.e., Adjusting for scales, I'd probably rather take my chances with a Xenomorph than a good mouser domestic cat.)

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