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Anxious brains redirect emotion regulation

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Re: Anxious brains redirect emotion regulation

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So, heightened anxiety triggers alternate emotional regulation, with traits like pro-avoidance behavior. To me this is not necessarily dysfunctional. It may also go hand-in-hand with motivating heightened deliberation. I can see how one can fall into regressive patterns like distracting ourselves away from critical path actions, especially if a particular person only uses one of two strategies, 1) try going on as bef…

> To me this is not necessarily dysfunctional. If it wasn’t dysfunctional, it wouldn’t be a diagnosed with mental health condition to begin with. I think this is a concept that is getting lost in mainstream mental health discourse: There is a big difference between anxiety the emotion and anxiety the mental health disorder . Similar story for depression and concentration struggles. It’s normal to feel anxious at time…

I agree, the term is stretched too thin. Same goes for shyness. There's a threshold.

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“I've lived through some terrible things in my life, some of which actually happened.” - Mark Twain

I've weirdly noticed a type of analagous mechanism in relation to anxiety where I castastrophize or engage in worst-outcome thinking and when things inevitably turn out ok, the relief from the incongruity has a somewhat "euphoric" and calming effect. I feel like it might be somewhat maladaptive and "addictive"

Does this all feel familiar?

https://youtu.be/_tpB-B8BXk0

I don’t know if it’s always this way, but I create emergencies and catastrophes because I otherwise have no motivation to do anything. My back has to be against the wall to get me to act. It’s been a lifelong issue, I’ve tried to kill myself several times because of it, and I learned it was ADHD in the last month. 100% of my issues are explained by this. I never would have guessed.

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> The assumption that strong medications are the default response. Every medical professional I know prefers lifestyle interventions and therapy modalities to prescribing medications Moreover, these two aspects nearly always coincide: Every credible institution will require you to engage in therapy in tandem with commencing medication. Often, once your condition improves, the discourse shifts towards the possibility…

This is the wrong approach imo. Therapy, lifestyle changes, learning to cope with it without meds should always be the first line treatment. More and more, you see the approach of just handing out meds like candy with a small mention that you should also seek therapy AFTER you get the meds. You can go to a general doctor and they'll write you up a prescription for an SSRI with hardly and convincing at all, there is n…

Preface: I'm speaking as someone who is diagnosed with OCD and generalized anxiety disorder, and I will be speaking about my experiences.

When my mental health took a turn for the worse a few years ago, I was strongly encouraged by my therapist to start taking medication. I was admittedly skeptical upon hearing. I had never taken psychiatric medications before as I held many misconceptions of their side effects, and besides, I figured therapy was supposed to "fix me," so why should I need meds?

When I inquired as to why they wanted me to become medicated, their response was that patients tend to only reach out for help AFTER their mental health becomes severe enough that "learning to cope without meds" is not an option. When a provider is faced with such a case, they are trained to treat it with as much aggression as reasonably possible in order to prevent the patient from becoming even more despondent. This means medication.

From the perspective of the patient, it appears that they're being funneled into taking meds, but from the perspective of the provider they recognize the trajectory the patient is on, and suggest taking drastic actions before things get worse.

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"The brain" is made up of matter, yes. "The brain" is not physical like columns or iron. Those are simple objects. The kind physics likes to deal with. Things that are easily measured to describe its properties quantitatively and the relations of these properties as a placeholder for qualitative aspects (equations). Physics can't deal with the brain. No equation can be written. If a bud's seeds were to sprout in plac…

> Physics can't deal with the brain. No equation can be written. There are many many many physics simulations out there that cannot be "written with an equation". Climate Modelling, for example. You cannot write a single equation to model all that. You need a big complex piece of software, made of many equations, a lot of hardware, and a lot of processing time. Any of those was simply inconceivable mere decades ago.…

All climate models are based on mathematical physics models. I don't know the specifics, so I asked chatGPT and here is what it said:

'''

Climate modeling is a multifaceted field rooted in physics that relies on a complex set of equations to describe various atmospheric, oceanic, and terrestrial processes. Here's an overview of the key equations that form the foundation of climate models:

Navier-Stokes Equations: Governing the flow of fluids like the atmosphere and oceans, these equations capture how the velocity of a fluid changes over time.

Radiative Transfer Equations: Essential for understanding how sunlight and other forms of radiation interact with the atmosphere, including scattering, absorption, and emission.

Energy Balance Models: These equations describe the balance between incoming solar energy and outgoing heat, fundamental for capturing the planet's energy dynamics.

Equations of State: Linking density, pressure, and temperature, these equations are critical for understanding the behavior of the atmosphere and ocean.

Continuity Equations: Representing the conservation of mass in the atmosphere and oceans.

Moist Processes Equations: Capturing phase changes between water vapor, liquid water, and ice, along with latent heat exchange.

Boundary Layer Equations: Describing the complex dynamics near Earth's surface where the atmosphere interacts with the land or ocean.

Chemical and Aerosol Equations: Governing the reactions and interactions between different chemical species and particles, which can affect both weather and climate.

Sea Ice and Glacial Equations: Modeling the flow and melting of ice, essential for understanding the cryosphere.

These equations are solved numerically using computer algorithms, often over a grid representing the Earth's surface and atmosphere. Together, they form an interconnected system that allows scientists to simulate and analyze the climate system's behavior. This intricate mathematical framework underscores how the study of climate is fundamentally rooted in mathematical and physical principles.

'''

There are no such equations for the brain.

Re: Anxious brains redirect emotion regulation

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If you suffer from anxiety, and haven't tried any of the following yet, worth giving a go: escitalopram (with medical supervision, also 10mg did nothing for me, 20mg was life changing), ingesting silexan / lavendar oil, L-Theanine with your coffee, less coffee, less alcohol, propanalol (see a dr) instead of benzos for break-through anxiety, ashwagandha.

>L-Theanine

This with caffeine is amazing!

*Its whats in green tea that gives the calming effect

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> Physics can't deal with the brain. No equation can be written. There are many many many physics simulations out there that cannot be "written with an equation". Climate Modelling, for example. You cannot write a single equation to model all that. You need a big complex piece of software, made of many equations, a lot of hardware, and a lot of processing time. Any of those was simply inconceivable mere decades ago.…

All climate models are based on mathematical physics models. I don't know the specifics, so I asked chatGPT and here is what it said: ''' Climate modeling is a multifaceted field rooted in physics that relies on a complex set of equations to describe various atmospheric, oceanic, and terrestrial processes. Here's an overview of the key equations that form the foundation of climate models: Navier-Stokes Equations: Gov…

Well you should have asked ChatGPT directly then:

In the context of human behavior, consciousness and neurology, what are the mathematical equations that are relevant in order to model how a human brain works? Please highlight any equation that involves Physics in particular

ChatGPT:

Modeling the human brain is an extremely complex task, and it involves various levels of abstraction and different mathematical and computational approaches. While there are no specific equations that fully capture the intricacies of the brain's function, several mathematical and physics-related principles can be applied at different levels of analysis. Here are some relevant equations and concepts:

Neuron Modeling:

Hodgkin-Huxley Equations: These equations describe the behavior of ion channels in neuron membranes and are fundamental to understanding how neurons generate action potentials. Integrate-and-Fire Models: Simpler models like the Leaky Integrate-and-Fire model can describe the basic firing behavior of neurons using differential equations. Neural Networks:

Backpropagation:

This is a fundamental algorithm for training artificial neural networks. It involves the chain rule from calculus to update weights during training. Activation Functions: Functions like the sigmoid, ReLU (Rectified Linear Unit), and softmax are used to model the activation of neurons in artificial neural networks. Synaptic Plasticity:

Hebbian Learning:

Often described as "cells that fire together wire together," it's a principle used to model how synaptic connections strengthen or weaken based on correlated firing patterns.

Diffusion Equations:

Fick's Law of Diffusion: Relevant for modeling the diffusion of neurotransmitters across synapses. Information Theory:

Shannon's Information Theory:

While not an equation per se, concepts like entropy and mutual information are used to quantify information flow and coding in neural systems.

Quantum Mechanics:

While not directly related to classical neuroscience, there's ongoing research into whether quantum effects play a role in brain function. This would involve quantum mechanics equations such as the Schrödinger equation and the equations describing quantum states. Connectome Modeling:

Graph Theory:

Modeling the brain as a network involves concepts from graph theory, like adjacency matrices and graph algorithms. While not a direct physics equation, it's relevant for understanding brain connectivity. Functional Imaging:

Techniques like Functional Magnetic Resonance Imaging (fMRI) rely on physics equations related to magnetism and nuclear magnetic resonance to measure brain activity indirectly. Biomechanics:

Equations from mechanics can be used to model the physical properties of the brain, like deformation during injury or the propagation of mechanical waves in brain tissue.

Electroencephalography (EEG):

Maxwell's Equations: EEG measures electrical potentials on the scalp, and the interpretation of these signals relies on Maxwell's equations describing the behavior of electric fields. It's important to note that modeling the human brain is still an active area of research, and there's no single mathematical framework that fully explains all aspects of brain function. Instead, a multi-disciplinary approach is used, combining mathematics, physics, biology, and computer science to gain a better understanding of the brain's complexity at various scales, from individual neurons to large-scale brain networks.

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I think that's just the type of problem CBT practitioners love to work on.

I think it’s a “if all you have is a hammer” situation. In my experience and from talking to different therapists CBT is ill-equipped to deal with existential problems because it doesn’t embrace them or helps patients learn from them. Existential therapy or other forms of psychoanalysis is better suited, in my opinion.

I agree with your take on CBT and existential problems (although CBT is incredible for many other types of issues). Do you have more details on therapies that are useful for existential types of problems?

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I can sort of see how you get there? “I know you are afraid of walking through a crowd of people, but think of how many people do that every day. Think of all those times when you were 15 when you did it without any problem.” E.g. your problem isn’t real, it’s all in your mind. Which of course it is, that’s kind of the point :)

EDIT: Sorry, I misunderstood your comment, I thought you were GGP saying that "it's all in your head" is better than CBT. Leaving my original response below. Sure, but someone with crippling anxiety could easily counter your with any of these: * I was assaulted when I was 17 so of course I could do things more easily when I was 15. * I feel physical symptoms of anxiety when I am around others so it's not just in my m…

One’s beliefs and feelings won’t be rational but the overall functioning of your brain is mostly reasonable when you know enough about your self, your past, and your brain. The task of building a fulfilling life with the nervous system you actually have is not trivial but also not impossible.
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