The ideal viewport doesn't exist
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The ideal viewport doesn't exist
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#2> It’s safest to presume that users on desktop or laptop devices are not filling their entire screen with a browser.
Not on literally any laptop I've ever seen. I've never seen a screen where the browser _isn't_ filling all space available to them, sometimes even the entire screen (in fullscreen mode on MacOS).
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#3Nice web design but this jumped out at me:
(they have 120000 viewpoints):
"Wembley stadium has a capacity of 90,000, so our datapoints could fill Wembley once and still fill another third of the available capacity."
the way this is written adds to confusion rather than enlightens. "another third of the available capacity" makes it sound like there is space left over in wembley i.e. you haven't fully filled it.
I think people know how big 120.000 is, but if you must, just say its more than wembley
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#4Scroll hijack makes this unusable
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#5I wish more pages took the pointer and resolution media queries into account. So many times I open windows side-by-side on my desktop and end up with the menu collapsing into a hamburger menu which fills the entire screen when clicked. Many phones today have very high DPI and very low precision in touch, so it makes sense to have massive visual elements and buttons, but my desktop with the same size in pixels as my phone but a much lower DPI and much higher input precision doesn't really need them.
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#6Scroll hijack makes this unusable
I didn’t experience any issues on my first read through, but on the second visit it now randomly scrolls back to the top of the viewport.
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#7> It’s safest to presume that users on desktop or laptop devices are not filling their entire screen with a browser. Not on literally any laptop I've ever seen. I've never seen a screen where the browser _isn't_ filling all space available to them, sometimes even the entire screen (in fullscreen mode on MacOS).
I think most people have a task bar at the bottom, at least on Windows and Linux.
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#8> It’s safest to presume that users on desktop or laptop devices are not filling their entire screen with a browser. Not on literally any laptop I've ever seen. I've never seen a screen where the browser _isn't_ filling all space available to them, sometimes even the entire screen (in fullscreen mode on MacOS).
You never side by side your browser and another application like a terminal or text editor? And even barring that the taskbar of your OS along with window decorations means that your browser is seldom 100% of the screen. This is also talking about the viewport, so even though they clumsily refer to it as the "browser" the website won't be given 100% of your resolution even if your browser did have 100% simply because of things like the tabs bar and other navigation. Can you full-screen a website? Sure. But that's not the common way to browse.
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#9> It’s safest to presume that users on desktop or laptop devices are not filling their entire screen with a browser. Not on literally any laptop I've ever seen. I've never seen a screen where the browser _isn't_ filling all space available to them, sometimes even the entire screen (in fullscreen mode on MacOS).
I believe the intention of that statement is to not assume that it's filling the entire screen, that is, not to count on it in some manner.
A lot of people still make this mistake one way or another. In about the last year I finally gave up; my tiling window manager used to have the browser at 2/3rds the screen with the remaining 1/3 a terminal, but more and more I've been encountering websites that are very unhappy with that width; not small enough to kick in mobile mode or they detect that I'm on a desktop browser and don't adjust, but not large enough for the design they serve me, creating overlapping regions, or horizontal scrolling, etc. So my browser is full screen a lot more often now. On the one hand I'm annoyed, but on the other, an implication of the article is that you essentially can't test at "all" viewport sizes anymore and it's just so easy to accidentally write a website that is unhappy at exactly pixel widths 892-945 when used with my exact font setup and/or zoom setting that I can't really stay mad at some of these sites. Some of the sites I have trouble with are clearly trying, and are competent in many other ways. You can hardly expect your designers to visit every page on your site and test every single width from 200 to 2000 one pixel at at time, let alone ask them to do it again with a variety of zoom settings.
Heck, I can't even tell you my own website can do that. I've checked it on a phone and in my desktop browser at a couple of sizes, but I can't do it anymore than anyone else can nowadays.
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#10> It’s safest to presume that users on desktop or laptop devices are not filling their entire screen with a browser. Not on literally any laptop I've ever seen. I've never seen a screen where the browser _isn't_ filling all space available to them, sometimes even the entire screen (in fullscreen mode on MacOS).
You've never seen a 17"+ laptop I guess?