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Tesla owners say they've been trapped inside their EVs after they lost power

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Re: Tesla owners say they've been trapped inside their EVs after they lost power

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Post by tmpX7dMeXU »

9991 wrote: post #19
wcoenen wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's because to avoid damage, the frameless windows need to drop a few millimeter when the door is opened. This doesn't happen when the car has lost all power and the emergency manual door release is used.

Sounds like a bad design?

That’s Teslas in a nutshell though. Myriad usability oapercuts in service of whatever flashy brain fart feature set Elon demanded of his dream cars. I refuse to believe that any competent professional would build half the shit I hear about in Teslas were they not held at employment gunpoint by a “visionary”.

Re: Tesla owners say they've been trapped inside their EVs after they lost power

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Post by earnestzombie2 »

richbell wrote: post #22
darkwater wrote: post #17

Claim: it is difficult to find the manual release handle for the doors My reality: every single passenger who had never been on a Tesla before always uses the manual release handle instead of the right button, and I get a warning message on the screen and the risk of breaking the window glass. Source: Tesla M3 owner

Claim: every single passenger in your Tesla has found the manual release without issue, so it must not be an issue. Reality: some people are not able to find the manual release handle, which is a safety issue.

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Re: Tesla owners say they've been trapped inside their EVs after they lost power

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Post by addandsubtract »

richbell wrote: post #22
darkwater wrote: post #17

Claim: it is difficult to find the manual release handle for the doors My reality: every single passenger who had never been on a Tesla before always uses the manual release handle instead of the right button, and I get a warning message on the screen and the risk of breaking the window glass. Source: Tesla M3 owner

Claim: every single passenger in your Tesla has found the manual release without issue, so it must not be an issue. Reality: some people are not able to find the manual release handle, which is a safety issue.

Reality: getting safety instructions on every flight on how to put on a life vest and pull a big red lever to open a door.

Re: Tesla owners say they've been trapped inside their EVs after they lost power

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Post by expertentipp »

Turskarama wrote: post #28
9991 wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sounds like a bad design?

Subarus have had frameless windows for decades and don't have this problem.

I don't think Tesla invented frameless car windows. I'm certain there are at least 50 years old car models with purely mechanical frameless car windows, but I'm too lazy to open wikipedia.

Re: Tesla owners say they've been trapped inside their EVs after they lost power

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Post by ianhawes »

9991 wrote: post #19
wcoenen wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's because to avoid damage, the frameless windows need to drop a few millimeter when the door is opened. This doesn't happen when the car has lost all power and the emergency manual door release is used.

Sounds like a bad design?

I love my Model Y but yes, there are some features that are just bad design. More specifically, poorly thought out design.

Example: last December, we experienced a deep freeze. Temperatures of 6 F for several days. I had only taken ownership of my Model Y for a week or so. The doors became frozen shut. YouTube videos recommended applying a silicon spray to the crease, which of course would probably solve it later on, but wasn’t helping me in my current situation.

Later on during that deep freeze, a bizarre incident happened where the doors weren’t frozen shut but they actually froze OPEN and my poor kids were in the car with the door open waiting for the lock to thaw.

It would seem to me that a car designed in Northern California did not adequately take into account the weather in other regions.

Re: Tesla owners say they've been trapped inside their EVs after they lost power

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Post by addandsubtract »

blueflow wrote: post #34

Video of the handles in action: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mu-tJc-BgaI Both functions are not evident (to me) by looking at the handles. Maybe the Tesla's UI is just bad.

Car UI in general is just all over the place. Every car manufacture does its own thing, from door handles to AC control.

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Post by FirmwareBurner »

darkwater wrote: post #17

Claim: it is difficult to find the manual release handle for the doors My reality: every single passenger who had never been on a Tesla before always uses the manual release handle instead of the right button, and I get a warning message on the screen and the risk of breaking the window glass. Source: Tesla M3 owner

>uses the manual release handle instead of the right button, and I get a warning message on the screen and the risk of breaking the window glass.

Is there a technical limitation on why the manual release can't also mechanically slide down the window slightly when pulled to not damage the glass?

Also, why did Tesla need to use two obscure looking buttons with no labels on them to open the door[1], when many cars use the same obvious leaver for both cases: pull on it lightly to engage the electronic un-lock, pull on it again with more force to engage the mechanical un-lock. So simple, so elegant.

[1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mu-tJc-BgaI

Re: Tesla owners say they've been trapped inside their EVs after they lost power

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Post by darkwater »

lawn wrote: post #21
darkwater wrote: post #17

Claim: it is difficult to find the manual release handle for the doors My reality: every single passenger who had never been on a Tesla before always uses the manual release handle instead of the right button, and I get a warning message on the screen and the risk of breaking the window glass. Source: Tesla M3 owner

Sample size: Very few Type of evidence: Anecdotal Statistical relevance: Tiny

Obviously, it was implied by "My reality".

Anyway the only real safety issue I can see is that rear doors doesn't have such a system, but I guess the theory here is that there should never be a case when someone is left alone in the rear seat (i.e. Tesla's "dog mode" explicitly tells you that it's just for pet, not meant for humans)

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