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Anxious brains redirect emotion regulation

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Re: Anxious brains redirect emotion regulation

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So can we fix it?

Avoid avoidance.

This is a study on the structural appearance of anxiety driven behaviours.

Treatment remains the same, CBT +/- SSRI which facilitates relearning behaviours via Dopamine actions.

Paper speculates TMS might be used to disrupt some brain regions.

Re: Anxious brains redirect emotion regulation

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So from my understanding. Anxious people are so anxious that they overload the part of the brain that typical deals with anxiety so the brain routes it to another part of the brain to deal with it and that part of the brain isn't what you want dealing with it so it cause problems. So the key is too limit overloading the part of the brain that deals with anxiety, which probably means doing things you are fearing to do…

> doing things

I believe this is done in supervised fashion in Exposure and Response Prevention, and also CBT. Some say ERP violates the Hippocratic Oath part about 'do no harm'.

I found the mockery of it in GTA SA quite entertaining [1]. In my own experience, it's probably best to talk to a therapist before forcing yourself into doing things you are fearing.

[1] https://gta.fandom.com/wiki/Inversion_Therapy

Re: Anxious brains redirect emotion regulation

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“I've lived through some terrible things in my life, some of which actually happened.” - Mark Twain

I've weirdly noticed a type of analagous mechanism in relation to anxiety where I castastrophize or engage in worst-outcome thinking and when things inevitably turn out ok, the relief from the incongruity has a somewhat "euphoric" and calming effect. I feel like it might be somewhat maladaptive and "addictive"

I remember reading something similar about people who survived bombings in London during the war.

Apparently many of the survivors were quite content as they had somehow survived the destruction.

Re: Anxious brains redirect emotion regulation

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So from my understanding. Anxious people are so anxious that they overload the part of the brain that typical deals with anxiety so the brain routes it to another part of the brain to deal with it and that part of the brain isn't what you want dealing with it so it cause problems. So the key is too limit overloading the part of the brain that deals with anxiety, which probably means doing things you are fearing to do…

> doing things I believe this is done in supervised fashion in Exposure and Response Prevention, and also CBT. Some say ERP violates the Hippocratic Oath part about 'do no harm'. I found the mockery of it in GTA SA quite entertaining [1]. In my own experience, it's probably best to talk to a therapist before forcing yourself into doing things you are fearing. [1] https://gta.fandom.com/wiki/Inversion_Therapy

It violates the Hippocratic oath as much as cutting somone open for surgery does. That is to say, it doesn't at all.

Re: Anxious brains redirect emotion regulation

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Fear and anxiety are very different

How so?

Fear is an immediate, emotional response to a known or definite threat.

Anxiety is a more prolonged emotion that arises from an anticipated or potential threat or a situation that's uncertain. Unlike fear, the source of anxiety might not be real or immediate.

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> Instead, I'm trying to focus on feeling good or bad based on my intentions, and seeing people's reactions as merely a feedback loop to better align my actions with my intentions. This is the way. People might disagree, but I've noticed that our intentions really do influence the outcomes because our intentions affect the way we approach problems (Kinda like Wave function collapse). My world is a mere reflection of…

Yes, I completely agree. Instead of being upset with outcomes (like how people react to me in interactions), there's three things I've been trying to instead focus on: Am I at peace with my core values? Do my intentions align with those values? And finally, do my actions align with those intentions. If something bad has happened, and those three questions are a 'yes', then you have no reason to feel bad because you'v…

If you say something unpleasant to a boss or someone else with the power to hurt you in life, even if it is aligned with your values (like enforcing boundaries or refusing unethical tasks), you may get fired, lose your income and destabilize your future safety, and have every reason to feel bad about your situation.

Re: Anxious brains redirect emotion regulation

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Spot on. This hit me a few weeks ago when I was considering a long workout class ln Peloton. I was hesitant to hit the start button because it was late, I was tired, etc. Then I realized that it was genuinely harder to hit play than to actually do the class. Literally I've done thousands of workouts and have never regretted one, yet every time there's this negotiation to not do it. I am connecting that to your "reali…

This book by David Burns [1] taught me that ACTION comes first, AND THEN motivation arrives. If you lay there and wait to be motivated, it will never happen. Specifically: 1. Action 2. Results 3. Motivation 4. Repeat! Anti-pattern: 1. Motivation 2. Action 3. Results 4. Does not work When I notice myself using self-talk like "ugh, I just don't feel like it" I thing of A-R-M and it helps. 1: https://amzn.to/3shnZlg

I am assuing this is in the context of some kind of mental health issue? Because this reads and feels backwards to me. Maybe it is a recipe for people without motivation, and that is fine. But I, for one, am mostly driven by motivation. I dont do things just because they are written on a list, or because someone told me it is supposedly good. I do things because I am intrinsically motivated to do so, or not. Just performing an action in hope of positive affirmation to boost motivation feels like the algorithm to drive a robot, not a human.

Re: Anxious brains redirect emotion regulation

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So from my understanding. Anxious people are so anxious that they overload the part of the brain that typical deals with anxiety so the brain routes it to another part of the brain to deal with it and that part of the brain isn't what you want dealing with it so it cause problems. So the key is too limit overloading the part of the brain that deals with anxiety, which probably means doing things you are fearing to do…

> So the key is too limit overloading the part of the brain that deals with anxiety, which probably means doing things you are fearing to do so that you no longer fear doing it. I gave this advice in the past, but I know people with social anxiety disorder for whom this approach does not work.

I have social anxiety and pushing myself to get out there leads to massive fatigue which makes me not want to go out and do that again, it can lead to a vicious cycle.

Re: Anxious brains redirect emotion regulation

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It's always fear, isn't it? We're afraid to approach people, afraid to ask for help, afraid that someone might react in the worst possible way or something really bad might happen. But obviously, it never happens the way we imagine. Reality is 100% of the time, different from our imagination and yet, many of us still fail to remember that. Every good opportunity that I ever got, was from me coming out of my comfort z…

This reminds me of Seneca's letter on groundless fears. "We suffer more often in imagination than in reality." [1]

[1]: https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Moral_letters_to_Lucilius/Let...

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