Live data from Hacker News

Shit life syndrome

en.wikipedia.org

211–220 of 244 posts

Re: Shit life syndrome

#211
post #170

Earlier quoted context omitted.

He did however renounced his wealth and lived a life of poverty. And Buddhism isn’t the story of siddhartha alone. He had many followers that figure in the pali canon quite extensively, and they were poor, rich, some even developmentally disabled. Concurrently, there were a lot of ascetics that siddhartha studied with - Buddhism didn’t spring out of his mind wholly formed, it was a distillation of thousands of years…

Buddhism itself is a very diverse beast to get a handle on in that part of the world. But I agree it serves to preserve (especially male) populations in conditions of little material possibility. It sounds like you are making a different point: that you don’t see anything in the USA like the social/religious systems that have enabled some in SE Asia to transcend difficult conditions. I would say that Christianity ser…

Interesting observation. And I say so as a (Christian-raised) atheist, albeit of the moderate secular variety.

Religious observance in the UK has fallen through the floor since the early 20th century, and is more avidly practiced by our immigrant communities (Muslim, Catholic, Hindu, Sikh, Jewish, African Christians) than most "native" Brits.

And yet very few are motivated by Hitchens/Dawkins-style, burn-it-all-down atheism, more of a, "meh, haven't really bothered to think about it" thing. Brits have given up on their own culture out of some kind of depressive laziness, and yet it's often those very same Brits who get angry at immigrants for celebrating their own traditions.

"I hate Muslims because they shut the pub and turned it into a mosque", usually said by an overweight, balding man who stopped going to said pub five years ago because drinking supermarket beer at home was cheaper.

To come back to your original point. People had objectively far shittier lives a century ago, less SLS but perhaps they were just too busy dying of silicosis, industrial accidents or TB.

Re: Shit life syndrome

#212
post #2

I hope there comes a day when the rich and influential look for the next money-making venture in which to invest in, see only a sea of machine-generated uncertainty on the stock market, and decide "actually, the most profitable thing I can do to protect my wealth is to invest it in the public" One day maybe.

What does that mean?

Its in the interest of the rich to exploit the poor; corner markets, destroy competition (I.e. welfare), price gouge. Hopefully a day will come that the future happens so fast that the rich cannot predict the market, and that the only way to secure their wealth is to invest in public services which will have some guarantee of being used.

Re: Shit life syndrome

#213

Capitalism-induced shit-life syndrome.

Compared to what? Being a peasant under communism?

Just because another system would fail these people too doesn't mean that our current system in how it works isn't failing these people. And just because big bad communism is another shit extreme, that doesn't mean that there are no other economic systems, or if you prefer, potentially variants of our current economic system, that would be better.

I won't pretend to know the solution, but either capitalism in general or the capitalism we currently have, with for example its misaligned incentives, exploitation and death traps people live in, sure seems to be a huge part of the problem.

Re: Shit life syndrome

#214

Even without poverty in the picture you still have the problem of the medical system failing pretty badly with the complex cases. Everything is geared towards short appointments, that simply doesn't give the doc enough time to see a complex picture. Unless you can afford to go outside the system to docs who actually have the time you're not likely to get good answers.

Short appointments on the front end, specialisation on the back end.

Both of them doing a remarkably good job in the circumstances, but the front end doctor's job is to figure out which specialist you need or send you home with basic painkillers or antibiotics.

And the specialists deal with their area, as such perhaps more concerned with the body part or system rather than the patient and their circumstances.

Not a good fit for complex cases or those whose root cause falls outside the scope of strictly medical.

Re: Shit life syndrome

#215

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Most UK seaside towns lost out to cheap flights to Spain. There's very little reason anyone visit Blackpool over Málaga. For the price of a depressing hotel in Blackpool you can get a modern resort in Spain with warm seas and reliably sunny hot weather every day. There are a few seaside towns that managed to hold on, such as Brighton. They're mostly in the South where the climate and sea temperature is a touch more b…

It seems odd from a US perspective, too. Here, it's much more expensive and desirable to live anywhere by the sea than it is to live inland. If you take two towns that are equal in all other ways, people would rather move to the seaside town. The existence of other seaside tourist destinations shouldn't change this. I (maybe obviously) know nothing about UK, but if there was a Blackpool-like town that's just like Bla…

All else being equal, sure. However these towns have collapsed. It's sort of like Detroit - any natural draw they have is overwhelmed by the fallout from how they collapsed.

Just like Detroit, there are a new breed of hipsters, priced out of middle class areas, starting to gentrify some areas again, for example see somewhere like Margate. But it's a slow process...

Re: Shit life syndrome

#216

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Scotland has the Scottish Index of Multiple Deprivation... Currently house-hunting at the moment, it's a great tool! https://simd.scot

Are you using it to avoid deprived areas, or to find them and hence cheap houses?

Not sure... It's probably contributing to my analysis paralysis on the matter actually. Very interesting to look at though!

Re: Shit life syndrome

#217
post #25

I'd say my hometown in middle America is significantly affected by Shit Life Syndrome. Thanks to my career in tech I broke out of that and moved away, but I've definitely had my seasons back at home where I get sucked into the Shit Life Syndrome around me. I had some post-Covid health issues and spent a month back in my hometown to recover. But after a month I couldn't stand to be around so many struggling people whi…

I don't know what the solution is for places that have SLS

I don’t have a real solution either, but it seems like it would either need to involve a managed wind-down of towns in gradual, permanent decline, or somehow propping them up in perpetuity.

Some towns may just not make sense anymore. But for one reason or another, whether the problem is disappearing economic opportunity or changing climate, there’s no way to cleanly move on. There’s some discussion of this concept now under the moniker “managed retreat”, but we still need to figure out how to avoid stranding the most vulnerable.

Re: Shit life syndrome

#218
post #170

Earlier quoted context omitted.

He did however renounced his wealth and lived a life of poverty. And Buddhism isn’t the story of siddhartha alone. He had many followers that figure in the pali canon quite extensively, and they were poor, rich, some even developmentally disabled. Concurrently, there were a lot of ascetics that siddhartha studied with - Buddhism didn’t spring out of his mind wholly formed, it was a distillation of thousands of years…

Buddhism itself is a very diverse beast to get a handle on in that part of the world. But I agree it serves to preserve (especially male) populations in conditions of little material possibility. It sounds like you are making a different point: that you don’t see anything in the USA like the social/religious systems that have enabled some in SE Asia to transcend difficult conditions. I would say that Christianity ser…

Yea you’re right. I just don’t personally have that experience with Christianity to have a view.

Interestingly I was reading a teaching on the difference between transcendence and Buddhism. Transcendence was in fact what was being sought after in south Asian cultures at the time of Buddha. But Buddha didn’t teach transcendence and he made a clear distinction. It’s not about escape from your situation by leaving it in some way, it’s about living your situation without attachment to the past or future, about if you want things to be better, then do what you believe makes things better and others like you will be a part of your change you make. There’s several layers in Buddhism, with basic ones being relief from suffering, but deeper ones involve loving kindness and compassion, drawing on the idea that we are communal organisms that thrive on constructive generosity and kindness.

A lot is made of “enlightenment” and reincarnation, and at least in Theravada Buddhism, are mostly metaphorical.

Which brings me to your first point - Buddhism in Burma, Cambodia, and Thailand is Theravada Buddhism which is essentially unchanged from the original compilation in pali. In other parts of Asia you see a lot of innovation and mysticism (and to be fair in Southeast Asia the lay person Buddhism is a mixture of traditional animism and spirit worship mixed in with Buddhism).

Finally you make a male / female distinction. I don’t think this is fair. Women are allowed as much freedom and respect in Buddhism as any organized “religion” (I don’t consider Theravada Buddhism to be a religion, or even a philosophy - it’s more a guide to being a human). In fact in the Pali texts there are quite a large number of females who achieve enlightenment or bodhisattva (people who could become enlightened but opt instead to spend their lives ending suffering for all creatures, often even more respected in life and death than those who become enlightened).

Women are not allowed to become ordained monks though. But they can become nuns, which in theory are equal to monks. In practice sadly many mainstream monks exploit their position, which is not supposed to come with power and influence. In many ways the monk hoods rules about women are much more about the weakness of men than anything about women. Women are generally viewed as more likely to not need such draconian rules as men. There is nothing, absolutely nothing, in Theravada Buddhism that elevates men above women in any way whatsoever.

Sadly though the societies themselves are historically patriarchal, and this colors things and male monks are often venerated more than nuns for that reason.

Re: Shit life syndrome

#219

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Thanks for the note on life around you. I think something you touch on here is physical health. But my reading of the Wikipedia article is SLS profoundly about mental well being and the toll of neglect, abuse, and crushing poverty has on overall health and quantity of life due to the lack of well being. Would you mind expanding your story of life in your area on that dimension? How does this harshness play out for th…

I am sorry as I closed the Incognito window and lost the previous account. I have no way of proving I am the same person. But I will answer your question. What I described, is true for the bottom 30-40% of the people. And many people who'd get treatment for one acute illness will try to suppress a chronic one. People of course don't realize that they are very miserable. They take this as a given. You have a curable c…

Thank you.

Re: Shit life syndrome

#220
post #171
post #5

This is quite darkly hilarious tbh. And consistent with my experience of Blackpool. I once went there on couple-week-long driving course when I was a teenager, hoping but eventually failing to get my license. I was put up in someone's house that was run as a sort of unlicensed b&b. The entire place, the curtains, the linen, the pillow,.. all smelled of old nicotine and damp. On my first evening I went out by myself t…

Nice story, thanks for sharing. My parents used to take me for our "exotic foreign holiday" in Blackpool each year (I was from Scotland). I actually have many happy memories from the time. There was the Doctor Who Exhibition we went to once - nothing even remotely like that anywhere near my home town. Then there was the Blackpool Tower. My parents used to complain about how expensive it was to get in, and I think we…

I loved the Doctor Who exhibition in Blackpool. Unfortunately it's no longer there!
Post reply on HN