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Executive Function Theft

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Re: Executive Function Theft

#61

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Have you seen Avengers? As the Hulk says, "That's the secret... I'm always angry." Learning to control your anger is a life skill, one that different people have different aptitude for, but one that nobody should give up on.

I prefer the advise that we try not to actively design a society that angers people.

Sartre, wise like the Hulk, said "Hell is other people".

Re: Executive Function Theft

#62
post #2

It's not really theft though, since the 'thief' doesn't gain the thing being 'stolen'. It's only the 'deny use' half of 'theft', ie it's more like DoS.

It's not theft or denial of service or anything like that. It's ordinary, reasonable, ethical behavior.

Re: Executive Function Theft

#63

My parents did this to me the whole time I lived with them whenever they had to do something involving the computer. It was exhausting and infuriating. "It's so easy for you and so hard for me" - it wouldn't be hard if you'd start trying and stop making yourself helpless.

personally love it when family asks me for help with computers as its piss easy work that does them a huge favor, you and the author share a perspective that i dont

Re: Executive Function Theft

#64
post #36

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What? I think it's pretty clear theft is a metaphor and that no one is suggesting this is illegal. Even if it were, theft is a far cry from inciting violence. Eg if I advocated shoplifting (don't shoplift) I wouldn't be inciting violence, I'd be inciting shoplifting. (Theft by violent means is called robbery.)

PP said that it was _compared_ to an illegal act, which the author did. > (Theft by violent means is called robbery.) (Legally, that's not accurate.) _Morally_, all theft is violence. Shoplifting a pack of chewing gum is extremely minor, almost zero but it's not zero. Shoplifting also includes the "flash mobs" which run in and steam items, or the folks who walk into stores (e.g. in California) with trash bags and loo…

I'm open to theft being violence (though skeptical, that seems to elevate property to the moral status of a person), but comparing something to theft isn't in the same universe as incitement to violence. When you say someone has implied that someone else is "inciting violence" I think the comparison has broken down and we're getting into accusation territory.

That certainly wasn't what I meant by shoplifting but if I said, "we should all start going to big box stores with trash bags and stealing stuff, because the employees will not resist us and we won't have to fear a physical altercation" (again, don't do that, that's not my real position, you shouldn't steal shit) I don't think that is reasonable to call "inciting violence." Inciting violence is literally calling for people to be hurt or killed.

I don't really want to quibble about the precise definition of words, my problem with that comment was that it seemed like an escalation from nowhere, disconnected from what the author was actually arguing for.

Re: Executive Function Theft

#65
post #35

TLDR: some people and organizations make us to tedious work. Personal opinion, when that person is your boss, just do your job. When that organization is supposed to serve you but makes you do work, look for an alternative.

But you didn't include the parts about sexism, racism, classism, elitism, ableism, etc. The author is a victim of a _system_.

Re: Executive Function Theft

#66
What the author calls theft is neither theft, nor any other for of unethical behavior, as far as I can tell from her description.

I could just as easily say that she has committed theft of my attention span because I had to read her ill-considered opinion in order to fairly criticize it. But I won't say that, because it was my choice to do so and I am not a victim.

She seems to be trying to criminalize the ordinary back and forth of social life. We have roles and make use of those roles. We have power and make use of it. For instance, her description of the healthcare situation is all covered, directly or indirectly, in her contract with the healthcare insurance provider; or else it is simply a matter of saying no. Don't do any of that work. Suffer the consequences. It's not theft-- it's the marketplace at work.

How long before someone calls EFT a "microaggression?" Yet another front in the culture wars will open up between people who can't be bothered to assert themselves (and apparently, according to her, women don't assert themselves very much) and those who put the energy in to be assertive.

Re: Executive Function Theft

#67

I had a pretty strong negative reaction when reading this and had to sit with it a while to figure out why. I kept coming back to the idea that something about this seems childish to me without initially being able to articulate what, exactly, it was that seemed immature. After I'd had some time to thing on it it occurred to me that the underlying idea is that people are somehow responsible for the author's emotional…

Respectfully, aside from whether or note the tone of the piece is or is not justifiable, I think your comment misses the point, which is that there is injustice in people (or a system) who unfairly shunt work off to you that they should rightly own. The US health industrial complex is indeed a prime example.

It's NOT injustice. That is entirely made up by the author. What agreement or law has been broken?

Re: Executive Function Theft

#68

My parents did this to me the whole time I lived with them whenever they had to do something involving the computer. It was exhausting and infuriating. "It's so easy for you and so hard for me" - it wouldn't be hard if you'd start trying and stop making yourself helpless.

personally love it when family asks me for help with computers as its piss easy work that does them a huge favor, you and the author share a perspective that i dont

You liked being called out of your room ten times a day for some bullshit you've already explained a million times? Being asked to type something because you type faster?

Thief is the perfect word. Instead of using their own brains they stole mine. I don't know how someone does this and isn't ashamed of themselves. I'm so glad I don't have to live the life of a helper monkey for the terminally lazy anymore. Magically they managed to survive on their own once I moved out. Go figure.

Re: Executive Function Theft

#69
post #38

I had a pretty strong negative reaction when reading this and had to sit with it a while to figure out why. I kept coming back to the idea that something about this seems childish to me without initially being able to articulate what, exactly, it was that seemed immature. After I'd had some time to thing on it it occurred to me that the underlying idea is that people are somehow responsible for the author's emotional…

I, for one, appreciate your deliberate and expository introspection but if you need this explained to you, there's a chance you will never—and I mean never—get it, but here goes: Some people believe that we owe it to one another to be considerate to one another, ie to take responsibility for one another's emotional well-being. Yes, that "underlying idea" is actually quite common in polite society if not outright ubiq…

The same reasonable people who believe that also believe in reasonable limits to taking responsibility for other peoples' emotional well-being.

It's not right to cry "theft" as if it is unethical to leave things undone that should not be done by anyone, or as if it is unethical to delegate to people to whom it is in your lawful power to delegate. It is, in a way, EVIL, to call that theft. It trivializes the notion of theft.

Re: Executive Function Theft

#70

My parents did this to me the whole time I lived with them whenever they had to do something involving the computer. It was exhausting and infuriating. "It's so easy for you and so hard for me" - it wouldn't be hard if you'd start trying and stop making yourself helpless.

personally love it when family asks me for help with computers as its piss easy work that does them a huge favor, you and the author share a perspective that i dont

In the same way that your family has a different capacity for using the computer, other people have a different capacity to field interruptions or to spare their attention. Something that may be pleasant for you might be really taxing for someone else. That doesn't invalidate either experience.

In disability advocacy this is sometimes called spoon theory. This is somewhat offtopic but one of my favorite sci-fi short stories is about this concept.

https://www.beneath-ceaseless-skies.com/stories/carnival-nin...

"Carnival Nine," Caroline Yoachim. (It seems like if you press the button with arrows pointing in cardinal directions, it gets a lot easier to read.)

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