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Executive Function Theft

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Re: Executive Function Theft

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post #23

i call it "choice-gas" and yes it does run low and is expressly frustrating when it's constantly taxed needlessly. a good example is microsoft outlook. meeting invites would pop a mandatory three way choice of "send the response now, send the response later or edit the response before sending" every time the accept button was pressed. a truly infuriating case of eft.

I like that. I think the term being used in literature is Decision Fatigue, if anyone wants to google it.

Re: Executive Function Theft

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post #13
post #5

Newport recommends entirely stopping or poorly performing that work; I read this as encouraging readers to commit EFT against others around them. When you are a hammer, everything looks like a nail. When writing a jeremiad, anything becomes weighty evidence.

That's pretty unfair. They never said it was evidence let alone weighty evidence, they offered examples of where they see this phenomenon in their life and in our culture. This is clearly a subjective interpretation/critique of another text ("I read this as"). That's perfectly reasonable to include in a blog post primarily about personal experience.

It’s a subjective interpretation that strikes me as fairly strained. It’s clear that Cal Newport would not advocate that, and I highly doubt would support what the author has written. There’s a difference between work that someone else has to do and work that nobody has to do, and I believe Cal was advocating for dropping BS work that nobody needs to do. This may even include entire committees, etc.

Re: Executive Function Theft

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post #13
post #5

Newport recommends entirely stopping or poorly performing that work; I read this as encouraging readers to commit EFT against others around them. When you are a hammer, everything looks like a nail. When writing a jeremiad, anything becomes weighty evidence.

That's pretty unfair. They never said it was evidence let alone weighty evidence, they offered examples of where they see this phenomenon in their life and in our culture. This is clearly a subjective interpretation/critique of another text ("I read this as"). That's perfectly reasonable to include in a blog post primarily about personal experience.

Labeling this as EFT, comparing it to illegal action, implies that this act is hostile. That implies that Newport is inciting violence.

Re: Executive Function Theft

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post #23

i call it "choice-gas" and yes it does run low and is expressly frustrating when it's constantly taxed needlessly. a good example is microsoft outlook. meeting invites would pop a mandatory three way choice of "send the response now, send the response later or edit the response before sending" every time the accept button was pressed. a truly infuriating case of eft.

> i call it "choice-gas"

OK, but it's already called decision fatigue. And it doesn't seem as if the essay is identifying a novel pathology either.

Re: Executive Function Theft

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TLDR: some people and organizations make us to tedious work.

Personal opinion, when that person is your boss, just do your job.

When that organization is supposed to serve you but makes you do work, look for an alternative.

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post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's pretty unfair. They never said it was evidence let alone weighty evidence, they offered examples of where they see this phenomenon in their life and in our culture. This is clearly a subjective interpretation/critique of another text ("I read this as"). That's perfectly reasonable to include in a blog post primarily about personal experience.

Labeling this as EFT, comparing it to illegal action, implies that this act is hostile. That implies that Newport is inciting violence.

What? I think it's pretty clear theft is a metaphor and that no one is suggesting this is illegal.

Even if it were, theft is a far cry from inciting violence. Eg if I advocated shoplifting (don't shoplift) I wouldn't be inciting violence, I'd be inciting shoplifting. (Theft by violent means is called robbery.)

Re: Executive Function Theft

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I had a pretty strong negative reaction when reading this and had to sit with it a while to figure out why. I kept coming back to the idea that something about this seems childish to me without initially being able to articulate what, exactly, it was that seemed immature. After I'd had some time to thing on it it occurred to me that the underlying idea is that people are somehow responsible for the author's emotional…

Respectfully, aside from whether or note the tone of the piece is or is not justifiable, I think your comment misses the point, which is that there is injustice in people (or a system) who unfairly shunt work off to you that they should rightly own. The US health industrial complex is indeed a prime example.

Re: Executive Function Theft

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I had a pretty strong negative reaction when reading this and had to sit with it a while to figure out why. I kept coming back to the idea that something about this seems childish to me without initially being able to articulate what, exactly, it was that seemed immature. After I'd had some time to thing on it it occurred to me that the underlying idea is that people are somehow responsible for the author's emotional…

I, for one, appreciate your deliberate and expository introspection but if you need this explained to you, there's a chance you will never—and I mean never—get it, but here goes:

Some people believe that we owe it to one another to be considerate to one another, ie to take responsibility for one another's emotional well-being.

Yes, that "underlying idea" is actually quite common in polite society if not outright ubiquitous. In fact, I'm fairly certain that its absence is considered a psychological pathology.

Re: Executive Function Theft

#39
post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Your example is not what's claimed. In your analogy, it would be more like I'd contacted the housing association to force you to mow your driveway, denying you the time to properly manicure your lawn. I'm not gaining any improvement to my lawn in that case.

I think you are both on the wrong track. The claim is that, instead of you mowing your lawn, you get someone else to do it. What you gain is time, and reduced cognitive load. It's kind of a childish thing to say about your manager since that is just how the cookie crumbles, but still a real exchange. Managers delegate certain tasks so they have time to focus on other tasks. Some managers delegate almost everything an…

What you gain is a lawn, mowed.

Re: Executive Function Theft

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post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's pretty unfair. They never said it was evidence let alone weighty evidence, they offered examples of where they see this phenomenon in their life and in our culture. This is clearly a subjective interpretation/critique of another text ("I read this as"). That's perfectly reasonable to include in a blog post primarily about personal experience.

It’s a subjective interpretation that strikes me as fairly strained. It’s clear that Cal Newport would not advocate that, and I highly doubt would support what the author has written. There’s a difference between work that someone else has to do and work that nobody has to do, and I believe Cal was advocating for dropping BS work that nobody needs to do. This may even include entire committees, etc.

Maybe so, I'm not familiar with Newport, but very few people would advocate for externalizing your costs on to others. I'll take it as a given that Newport wasn't advocating for that (or rather, that Newport would not himself characterize it that way). But I think the argument is that that is the outcome (rather than the intent), even if the task that gets pushed onto others doesn't need to exist.

(And this is a different claim than that the author is essentially jumping at shadows, which is fine, I think it's a reasonable take, but that's what I was originally responding to.)

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