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StarLite 12.5-inch Linux tablet

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Re: StarLite 12.5-inch Linux tablet

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Nice! Is there an option for an active stylus?

Wow, good point. I just expected it to support a stylus and was really hyped about buying one. Without a stylus, I don't think Linux on a tablet is really viable.

Even with a stylus, it's kind of clunky.

Cellwriter is a reversion to the comb-based printed inputs of the early 90s.

Maybe the QT option is better?

https://doc.qt.io/qt-6/handwriting.html

(but it only shows printing)

Re: StarLite 12.5-inch Linux tablet

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As a long time iPad user I’m apprehensive. As others have noted, Linux based touch experiences have so far been lacking. That said, I love the thought of it. I’ve recently started using my iPad Pro as my daily driver (replacing a Mac Studio M1 Ultra no less) and haven’t looked back. The only gripe with iPadOS is it took me a while to get a smooth vscode setup for development - having that be easier out of the box wit…

What? How? I have an m1 iPad Pro. It mostly collects dust. It’s just atrocious to use for anything more than playing games or basic web browsing. Multitasking makes me want to pull my hair out. Window behavior is horrific. Why doesn’t stage manager allow me to actually resize window and put them where I want them to go? File management is garbage, too. There are just so many weird limitations and missing basic functi…

I’m using iPadOS 17 and it is vastly better than 16, so once it comes out you should give it a shot. I can absolutely understand being unhappy with it before. What makes 17 so much better is that you have the freedom to move windows around where you want, but it also does a great job of managing focus and organizing them. I’ve used full-screen exclusively on Mac since Lion, but now I’m all Stage Manager all the way.

I do agree about file management, but I don’t really work with files at all on my device anyway - code is in the dev box I SSH in to, and everything else is in Google Drive.

For reference, 80-90% of my work is slack/gmail/gdocs/zoom. The rest is development work done using a PWA for VSCode, code-server on my dev box and Blink Shell for SSH (I would prefer Termius but I can’t have SSH port forwarding done automatically). This works quite smoothly and gives me access to pretty much everything I need.

Re: StarLite 12.5-inch Linux tablet

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Barrel connectors are easily one of my most disliked. Even if they don’t fail outright, they grow loose and finicky over time even if you’re trying to take care of them. On top of that, there’s numerous different sizes and pole configurations so even if an adapter is physically compatible, you have to look closely to make sure you’re not going to fry your device. Just terrible overall.

So just agree on 5.5x2.5 and federally ban 5.5x2.1. The biggest source of finickiness is 5.5x2.5 plugged into a 5.5x2.1 socket. Inventing a new standard with a weak sheet metal connector and 19 pins to deliver + and - isn't a solution to the above.

Most new devices don't have enough space for 5.5x anything. And 2.1mm is the more common one from what I can see.

Regardless it's a crappy choice for consumer electronics because it's got no voltage negotiation. You can fry stuff with it, and chargers aren't universal.

2.1mm is a wonderful connector for switches, sensors, solar panels, and power you need to daisy chain, but PD is pretty much perfect for point to point medium power devices.

USBC seems to break far less often than anything else that's cheap and small. I don't see why 19 pins is an issue unless you just really like simplicity.

It absolutely looks like something that would fail all the time... But it doesn't. Somehow they made it so even the cheap knockoffs are durable.

Re: StarLite 12.5-inch Linux tablet

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As a long time iPad user I’m apprehensive. As others have noted, Linux based touch experiences have so far been lacking. That said, I love the thought of it. I’ve recently started using my iPad Pro as my daily driver (replacing a Mac Studio M1 Ultra no less) and haven’t looked back. The only gripe with iPadOS is it took me a while to get a smooth vscode setup for development - having that be easier out of the box wit…

> Linux based touch experiences have so far been lacking My Librem 5 works fine with the touch screen.

I was referring to tablets but thanks for pointing out the Librem. I’ll check it out.

Re: StarLite 12.5-inch Linux tablet

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Wow. I have never yet broken a USB-C cable. Not one. When I used an iPhone for a couple of years, I went through approximately a Lightning cable per month, sometimes more. At one point I took a carrier bag of broken Lightning cables to the electronics recycling. You must treat equipment exceptionally roughly.

No, I treat equipment as any consumer would. Like if my phone is low on battery I plug it into a portable battery and shove the phone and portable battery (connected by a USB-C cable) into my pocket, like any consumer would. I then go hiking, snowshoeing, biking, sleeping, like any consumer would. Cables have bent and broken in my pocket in these scenarios, among thousands of others. My parent comment was yesterday;…

That sounds like a lot more active life than an average consumer. It would be nice if USB C could handle that kind of duty, but for most people, the 1/8 and RCA, or at least the cheap versions, might die of fatigue before the USB C has an issue. I remember non-pro audio cables as being insanely unreliable, like, you could break them in a week of light use.

USB C doesn't have that issue. There are high end cables and just kind of OK cables, but at least with the braided ones I normally buy, there aren't many terrible ones at any price. They decoupled reliability from craftsmanship and materials.

Pockets should be considered industrial duty environments.

Right next to a person is a much harsher environment than people think it is, stuff people carry tends to break and wear.

I'm not surprised the cables break in pockets in that kind of scenario, although I haven't experienced it myself with my admittedly much lighter and less varied lifestyle (lots of walking, occasional hiking, maintenance work sometimes including light carpentry, but no sports or biking).

There seems to be a very large variance in percieved reliability of cables and tech in general. Are you buying the same brand every time you need to replace something? Do more athletic people with more muscle have problems because their weight or level of force they commonly apply is more likely to break stuff? Probably just unrelated factors but it does seem like people who lift are more like to hate new tech. Is it about what clothes you wear? Is it the phone itself having something about the connector?

Obviously USB C has a problemwith a few specific environments, but I'm not exactly sure what those cases are.

Re: StarLite 12.5-inch Linux tablet

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What? How? I have an m1 iPad Pro. It mostly collects dust. It’s just atrocious to use for anything more than playing games or basic web browsing. Multitasking makes me want to pull my hair out. Window behavior is horrific. Why doesn’t stage manager allow me to actually resize window and put them where I want them to go? File management is garbage, too. There are just so many weird limitations and missing basic functi…

I’m using iPadOS 17 and it is vastly better than 16, so once it comes out you should give it a shot. I can absolutely understand being unhappy with it before. What makes 17 so much better is that you have the freedom to move windows around where you want, but it also does a great job of managing focus and organizing them. I’ve used full-screen exclusively on Mac since Lion, but now I’m all Stage Manager all the way.…

I’ve been running iOS and iPadOS beta 17 since day 1. It’s nominally improved stage manager window resizing, however it broke:

iCloud sync (won’t sync my photos until I restart).

Sharing (can’t email stuff unless I restart. Just stays at the “preparing” stage).

Search (both iMessage and spotlight).

Safari is incredibly unstable and tabs or the whole browser crashes all the time.

Re: StarLite 12.5-inch Linux tablet

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Of course an Apple fanboy shows up with this comment. ChromeOS on a tablet is a perfectly fine experience, gesture navigation and all. (And, very important to me, runs a "real browser", not some limited mobile variant. And the full Linux CLI environment.)

iPadOS Safari is just as capable as desktop Safari. Why do you think otherwise? Also, it’s not 2006 anymore, maybe stop calling people “fanboy” for preferring a different computer than you.

> iPadOS Safari is just as capable as desktop Safari. Why do you think otherwise?

That would be an incredibly negative statement on the state of desktop safari if this was true.

Re: StarLite 12.5-inch Linux tablet

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I’m using iPadOS 17 and it is vastly better than 16, so once it comes out you should give it a shot. I can absolutely understand being unhappy with it before. What makes 17 so much better is that you have the freedom to move windows around where you want, but it also does a great job of managing focus and organizing them. I’ve used full-screen exclusively on Mac since Lion, but now I’m all Stage Manager all the way.…

I’ve been running iOS and iPadOS beta 17 since day 1. It’s nominally improved stage manager window resizing, however it broke: iCloud sync (won’t sync my photos until I restart). Sharing (can’t email stuff unless I restart. Just stays at the “preparing” stage). Search (both iMessage and spotlight). Safari is incredibly unstable and tabs or the whole browser crashes all the time.

Interesting! That is not my experience at all. My only issue has been the right click contextual menu behavior being inconsistent with google docs and VSCode. I hate to say this but have you tried a fresh install? I did to that and it resolved the issues I had early on, and then once I restored my backup it was fine.

Re: StarLite 12.5-inch Linux tablet

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I wish Android and Linux would just merge. Give people access to a Linux userland that lets you install Nix packages(Most anything but Nix or similar would be a step backwards from Android's reliability during updates), and then Android could very easily be most people's only OS. If people could plug in their phone and run Linux apps on a full size monitor they'd probably pay a lot more for the phone, knowing they di…

The general population only need to run a browser on their external monitor, with Office 365 or Google Docs and Gmail. There is no need for anything else. If one is not a software developer, which Linux apps do you feel are needed? I used Samsung DEX a few times on my tablet. The mouse plus touchscreen combination works well. The keyboard is a little worse because there is no Esc key on Android and Ctrl [ is uncomfor…

Gimp/Krita, FreeCAD, more and more games, Inkscape, Ardour, Audacity, Calibre, Sound Converter, Converseen, PrusaSlicer, etc, plus all the other stuff that people would probably discover.

If one IS a software developer of course, then you probably need a lot of Linux apps, and it would be cool to have them alongside a platform that's way more reliable than Linux, so that your browser and email and calendar and music are always there and don't bog down.

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