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70 years ago, an Anglo-US coup condemned Iran to decades of oppression

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Re: 70 years ago, an Anglo-US coup condemned Iran to decades of oppression

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Post by k1m »

AlbertCory wrote: post #70

>The next day, on August 19, 1953, with the aid of “rented” crowds widely believed to have been arranged with CIA assistance, the coup succeeded I searched the article and its reference for any details on the mechanics of this "coup." Zilch. WSJ has an article today, in fact, about it. Mossadegh was not "democratically elected." There was massive opposition to him inside Iran. The UK was opposed to him, of course. As…

A lot more info here: https://declassifieduk.org/iran-1953-mi6-plots-with-islamist...

> IRAN 1953: MI6 PLOTS WITH ISLAMISTS TO OVERTHROW DEMOCRACY

> Declassified British files highlight a little known aspect of the joint MI6/CIA coup against Iran’s democratically elected government in August 1953 – UK covert action in support of leading radical Shia Islamists, the predecessors of Ayatollah Khomeini.

Re: 70 years ago, an Anglo-US coup condemned Iran to decades of oppression

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AlbertCory wrote: post #70

>The next day, on August 19, 1953, with the aid of “rented” crowds widely believed to have been arranged with CIA assistance, the coup succeeded I searched the article and its reference for any details on the mechanics of this "coup." Zilch. WSJ has an article today, in fact, about it. Mossadegh was not "democratically elected." There was massive opposition to him inside Iran. The UK was opposed to him, of course. As…

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Re: 70 years ago, an Anglo-US coup condemned Iran to decades of oppression

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Post by kenneth »

So I'm basically reading this as putting blame for Iran's reprehensible regime and its crackdown on its citizen yearning for freedom on Britain and the US.

No… let's stop with this rewriting of history. The only party to blame for the awfulness in Iran is their evil regime.

Re: 70 years ago, an Anglo-US coup condemned Iran to decades of oppression

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Post by FirmwareBurner »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #48
FirmwareBurner wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> the First World War was an massive exercise in proving that nothing that could be gained from a major power war would be worth the misery And yet the "war on terror" happened. US companies gained a lot from that even if the average taxpayer didn't.

> yet the "war on terror" happened. US companies gained a lot from that even if the average taxpayer didn't The War on Terror, and invasion of Iraq, were massive American policy failures. (The article I quoted says as much.) Had Xi not become a dictator and Putin not invaded Crimea and then the rest of Ukraine, American hegemony would be on a downturn as a result of those fumbles.

>The War on Terror, and invasion of Iraq, were massive American policy failures.

Not if you ask Halliburton

Re: 70 years ago, an Anglo-US coup condemned Iran to decades of oppression

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Post by InTheArena »

hrm...

From wikipedia:

"His government came under scrutiny for ending the 1952 election before rural votes could be fully counted.[6] According to historian Ervand Abrahamian: "Realizing that the opposition would take the vast majority of the provincial seats, Mosaddegh stopped the voting as soon as 79 deputies—just enough to form a parliamentary quorum—had been elected."

Iran was many things, but not a utopia, nor even leagal here. Doesn't excuse any actions - and the cold war is one big example of be careful fighting monsters, lest you become one - but the storylines around Iran and Cuba don't hold up once the russiana propaganda bots disappear for a bit.

Re: 70 years ago, an Anglo-US coup condemned Iran to decades of oppression

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Post by loeg »

tacocataco wrote: post #72
jamesaurichs wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The young generation of Iran doesn't buy into the whole blaming the US thing for something that happened 70 years (1 generation!!) ago - which the US tried to install a more westernized leader. A lot of anti-US people with agenda wants the world to think otherwise. Case in point: Mourners In Iran Refuse To Trample On Swedish, American Flags. https://www.iranintl.com/en/202307280335 Iranian students avoid stepping on…

Sounds like the US can coup anyone it wants then and just wait 70 years! No worries all good!

Do you blame modern Germans for WW2? Why?

Re: 70 years ago, an Anglo-US coup condemned Iran to decades of oppression

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Post by ReptileMan »

daneel_w wrote: post #11
NickC25 wrote: post #5

Sad to see what Iran has become - no in small part thanks to the US/UK's meddling and installing a crazed theocratic government. The Iranian people deserve so much better - they are a nation of really smart people and would be a beacon in the Middle East if it wasn't for a bunch of religious reactionaries holding power. Some of the best engineers I've ever worked with were expat Iranians who left and have no intentio…

US/UK didn't install the current ruling set of islamists.

The same way the US didn't install the Taliban as the rulers of Afghanistan. Twice.

Re: 70 years ago, an Anglo-US coup condemned Iran to decades of oppression

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Post by ArnoVW »

jamesaurichs wrote: post #63
NickC25 wrote: post #5

Sad to see what Iran has become - no in small part thanks to the US/UK's meddling and installing a crazed theocratic government. The Iranian people deserve so much better - they are a nation of really smart people and would be a beacon in the Middle East if it wasn't for a bunch of religious reactionaries holding power. Some of the best engineers I've ever worked with were expat Iranians who left and have no intentio…

The young generation of Iran doesn't buy into the whole blaming the US thing for something that happened 70 years (1 generation!!) ago - which the US tried to install a more westernized leader. A lot of anti-US people with agenda wants the world to think otherwise. Case in point: Mourners In Iran Refuse To Trample On Swedish, American Flags. https://www.iranintl.com/en/202307280335 Iranian students avoid stepping on…

Nit: one generation is the time between birth and reproduction. So depending on culture 20-35 years. 70 years is more than 2 generations.
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