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China’s defeated youth: Young Chinese have little hope for the future

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Re: China’s defeated youth: Young Chinese have little hope for the future

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It’s so interesting to see this play out the same in both China and the US; a generation that can’t afford to buy a home, were told higher education would lead to a secure career and it doesn’t, falling fertility rate accordingly, etc. “Eat bitterness” indeed.

From an American perspective, the problem seems to be of payoff timelines. Struggling and working hard for years doesn’t sound so bad if there is a great reward on the other side.

But when that reward is 15-20 years away, and is a basic house you can barely afford… something has gone wrong.

Re: China’s defeated youth: Young Chinese have little hope for the future

#74

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There's a lot more people in the bottom 25% of income than in the top 25%. Do they not matter?

What do you think "bottom 25%" and "top 25%" mean, exactly?

Think he meant the bottom 25% of income not people with income.

Re: China’s defeated youth: Young Chinese have little hope for the future

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Are you using Apple Private Relay? I think there is an issue with them and Cloudflare.

I just tested. Firefox, Chrome, Brave for Android and Firefox for Windows - infinite loop Edge for Windows - no captcha

No captcha at all? So you are directly „verified”?

Re: China’s defeated youth: Young Chinese have little hope for the future

#76

It’s so interesting to see this play out the same in both China and the US; a generation that can’t afford to buy a home, were told higher education would lead to a secure career and it doesn’t, falling fertility rate accordingly, etc. “Eat bitterness” indeed.

Nicely put. Makes us wonder - we are all pawns that our leadership uses to divide us on, while really leadership is all buddy buddy at a higher level! I suppose art imitates life. You see this in your international governments, you see this in corporate politics. Reality is we (demographic X) have a lot more common with the same demographic X in another region/country/corporation.

Re: China’s defeated youth: Young Chinese have little hope for the future

#77

It’s so interesting to see this play out the same in both China and the US; a generation that can’t afford to buy a home, were told higher education would lead to a secure career and it doesn’t, falling fertility rate accordingly, etc. “Eat bitterness” indeed.

Nicely put. Makes us wonder - we are all pawns that our leadership uses to divide us on, while really leadership is all buddy buddy at a higher level! I suppose art imitates life. You see this in your international governments, you see this in corporate politics. Reality is we (demographic X) have a lot more common with the same demographic X in another region/country/corporation.

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Re: China’s defeated youth: Young Chinese have little hope for the future

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China kinda owns the Western teen ideology via TikTok. They can make them feel defeated at any time.

Western teen and millennials are perfectly capable to do that on their own. It was us millennials that elevated grievance politics and cry-bulling into an art form. From the moment I turned 18 it was continuous barrage of news how fucked up everything is.

Yes, as a fellow kid, I can say for certain that it’s a lack of respect for our elders and too many avocado toasts that have placed us in this position. We should have walked in and applied for a job with a firm handshake and maybe then we’d own a house.

Re: China’s defeated youth: Young Chinese have little hope for the future

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Unless of course you took out massive student loans for that education and failed to study an employable skill, those silly 18 year olds, not able to understand the shifting labor market and make sensible 30 year predictions on what skills will be desired.

It's not a matter of predicting the labor market, it's a matter of understanding debt. There are very few possible job markets where the kind of debt we're talking about makes any kind of sense. What's missing in our high school education is any form of basic financial literacy. It's still unfair to blame the kids (technically, brand-new adults) for the system's failure to teach them, but you don't have to be an orac…

Yeah I bet there’s something deeply different about the collective psychological impact of being trapped because of an ostensible bad decision (the wrong major) vs simply having no options regardless of what major you choose. When I talk to my debt-shackled American friends there’s some acknowledgment of studying the wrong thing, even knowing that as kids we’re not equipped to make a smart decision, as you say. In China it seems a lot more bleak, like whatever you study you’ll likely end up unable to use it.

Also, in the US there isn’t pressure to do factory work specifically if you can’t get a job. That’s a particularly rough job, especially if you were pursuing white collar work, but it’s where the ccp is pushing folks.

Re: China’s defeated youth: Young Chinese have little hope for the future

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post #49

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Young people in the West who are unhappy are mostly mentally ill. It's not the same in China and the article enumerates various concrete reasons why.

Citation needed. I personally know people (20s to mid 30s) who are simply unhappy that they did everything they were told and couldn't get jobs in their field, and can't afford a house (so they rent one and which pays for somebody else's mortgage).

Myself and everyone that I know in that age range who has followed "the formula" (STEM degree -> workforce) has plenty of money and a house or could buy a house if they wanted to.
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