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Catch 22: first agree to the Microsoft GitHub ToS. Or you can use a friendlier service like the one provided by Codeberg. https://docs.codeberg.org/getting-started/what-is-codeberg/#...
What is this then? https://codeberg.org/Codeberg/org/src/branch/main/TermsOfUse...
Ask HN: Why did Microsoft, Meta, and PayPal update their ToS today?
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Re: Ask HN: Why did Microsoft, Meta, and PayPal update their ToS today?
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#93I tried to read some of them to see what has changed. I really tried... If any lawyers from the future are reading this: It was impossible for me to see what I was agreeing to. Furthermore, I was not given a chance to not agree with these (unknown) changes.
It is crazy how unreasonable the world of law is. Just some days ago, I installed some game (Assassins Creed I think?) and it had 3 agreements to read, each one a kilometer long (just a figure of speech). Really? To play a game? Of course nobody reads them and just press Accept.
Re: Ask HN: Why did Microsoft, Meta, and PayPal update their ToS today?
#94I tried to read some of them to see what has changed. I really tried... If any lawyers from the future are reading this: It was impossible for me to see what I was agreeing to. Furthermore, I was not given a chance to not agree with these (unknown) changes.
More or less you should assume that any consumer contract promises you exactly the minimum allowable within the framework of applicable laws. That is the intent. Practically what this means is that it is useless to negotiate with big companies or really even read their terms (unless you have skills to spot errors) - the best one can do is support campaigns for expanded privacy laws, consumer rights etc.
c.f. the whole "video calls to train their AI at Zoom" (later: "unless you opt out", sorta) pullava ...
Re: Ask HN: Why did Microsoft, Meta, and PayPal update their ToS today?
#95I tried to read some of them to see what has changed. I really tried... If any lawyers from the future are reading this: It was impossible for me to see what I was agreeing to. Furthermore, I was not given a chance to not agree with these (unknown) changes.
It is crazy how unreasonable the world of law is. Just some days ago, I installed some game (Assassins Creed I think?) and it had 3 agreements to read, each one a kilometer long (just a figure of speech). Really? To play a game? Of course nobody reads them and just press Accept.
Re: Ask HN: Why did Microsoft, Meta, and PayPal update their ToS today?
#96Re: Ask HN: Why did Microsoft, Meta, and PayPal update their ToS today?
#97There was a recent ruling on EU-US Data Privacy regulations https://ec.europa.eu/commission/presscorner/detail/en/ip_23_...
Re: Ask HN: Why did Microsoft, Meta, and PayPal update their ToS today?
#98Earlier quoted context omitted.
It is crazy how unreasonable the world of law is. Just some days ago, I installed some game (Assassins Creed I think?) and it had 3 agreements to read, each one a kilometer long (just a figure of speech). Really? To play a game? Of course nobody reads them and just press Accept.
These are most likely not legally binding in the UK as consumer contracts and notices as a whole have to be fair (transparent, in good faith and intelligible) to consumers under the Consumer Rights Act 2015.
Basically you can't sneak gotchas into a ToS, you have to make sure users know they're violating a rule. Ironically this is unlike actual laws where ignorance is not an excuse even if the law is weird and unexpected.
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You can build this with what Github offers for free to open source projects.
I like where this discussion is headed. Scrape the ToS and keep a record of that. Are ToS's copywrited?
So technically scraping and republishing old ToS'es would be a copyright violation. You might have a case for fair use but then it becomes difficult to monetize the service.
Re: Ask HN: Why did Microsoft, Meta, and PayPal update their ToS today?
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If this is your work account then switching is down to your employer and they probably have a legal dept to understand all ToS anyway. But any ToS change shouldn't affect you much because you shouldn't be using it for personal stuff.
I don't think the venn diagram of companies using outlook/office365 and companies with a well resourced legal department has as much overlap as one might hope
What else is there for corporate email?