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Re: Radiation Spikes at Chernobyl

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Post by kstenerud »

cedws wrote: post #39
jncfhnb wrote: post #2

> The IAEA sent experts to do a radiological survey in the CEZ in April, but their focus wasn’t on determining the cause of the spikes. Investigators instead wanted to determine if Russian soldiers who dug trenches in a small section of the CEZ had released dangerous levels of radiation in that area that could have sickened the soldiers or anyone else who passed through that area. (The IAEA determined the radiation l…

The story of Russians digging holes and getting radiation poisoning was propaganda, just like Ghost of Kiev. The levels of radiation in the soil are not high enough to cause radiation poisoning, except for very few hotspots that they'd have to go looking for. It's mostly alpha radiation left which is dangerous only if radioactive particles are inhaled. I'm more inclined to believe the IAEA. Also, >They concluded that…

> The story of Russians digging holes and getting radiation poisoning was propaganda

You're going to have to source that argument, because there's an awful lot of evidence of Russian-dug trenches there.

Re: Radiation Spikes at Chernobyl

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Post by craftkiller »

DoreenMichele wrote: post #52
dylan604 wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Being from the West, it is very difficult to think that information black out can be achieved at such a level that younger generations would know nothing of a disaster on the level of Chernobyl.

How much do you know about The Red Scare in the US? I'm American and barely know anything about it. It's just not really talked about and not, as far as I know, due to fear of being imprisoned for it. Ugly history is often "forgotten" even when there is no compulsion to "forget" it.

I'm also American and The Red Scare was taught in my high school. That being said, the Battle of Blair Mountain, the Tulsa Race Massacre, and the MOVE bombing were left out of my curriculum.

Re: Radiation Spikes at Chernobyl

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Post by throwaway290 »

andreygrehov wrote: post #74
LeonB wrote: post #56

If Ukrainian people (whether state sanctioned or independent) manipulated the sensors to amplify concern about Russia’s invasion —- it would not be remarkable. Deception, misdirection, sabotage, these are all crucial elements in every war.

> Deception, misdirection, sabotage, these are all crucial elements in every war. If the Ukrainians tampered with the sensors, the Russians undoubtedly knew about it. In such a scenario, the deception and misdirection are aimed at the rest of the world. If that is the case, there are much more similar manipulations taking place.

This is assuming relevant russians are competent, which is very far fetched... (source: inside info from russian friend who's been following the war)

Re: Radiation Spikes at Chernobyl

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Post by throwaway290 »

mepian wrote: post #75
tguvot wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

as somebody who born in russia you can't represent everybodies in russia knowledge. in case you don't watch them, go watch some of zolkin videos where he asks russian solders questions about history and ukraine. very enlightening

Sure, you can always cherry-pick someone from a remote village so this can't be literally "everybody", but it's absurd to claim that the majority of the population doesn't know about Chernobyl. It was a very hot topic in Russia for a long time, and in the 90s the government lost control over the information space of the country so the information about Chernobyl was spreading freely. The younger generations can learn…

> you can always cherry-pick someone from a remote village

Which hilariously enough is what they do when drafting and recruiting new soldiers...

Re: Radiation Spikes at Chernobyl

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Post by CamperBob2 »

mepian wrote: post #30
renegade-otter wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You underestimate Russia's induced ignorance about Chernobyl. Most of these 20-year-olds were from remote, shit-poor areas of Russia, and even if they went to school of some sort, it didn't matter much. You think those textbooks mentioned the incident? No. To this day, Chernobyl is a pain point for Russia - f--k knows why because it didn't even happen there . When HBO's Chernobyl came out, Moscow went into a full-blo…

That hysteria wasn't caused by the ignorance of Russia's population. Everyone knew about the disaster for a long time. I know this because I lived there until recently.

Russia's a big place. Rest assured, as an American, I could find plenty of Americans who have no idea what happened at Chernobyl or why it would make a less-than-five-star campground.

Re: Radiation Spikes at Chernobyl

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Post by vGPU »

jncfhnb wrote: post #2

> The IAEA sent experts to do a radiological survey in the CEZ in April, but their focus wasn’t on determining the cause of the spikes. Investigators instead wanted to determine if Russian soldiers who dug trenches in a small section of the CEZ had released dangerous levels of radiation in that area that could have sickened the soldiers or anyone else who passed through that area. (The IAEA determined the radiation l…

>Greanpeace

I can’t say I’m inclined to trust a source with the unofficial motto of “It does not matter what is true, it only matters what people believe is true.”

Not to mention how they consider doing things like paying people to torture animals on film for propaganda campaigns acceptable, and multiple incidents of them ramming ships.

Re: Radiation Spikes at Chernobyl

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Post by vGPU »

tguvot wrote: post #32
jncfhnb wrote: post #2

> The IAEA sent experts to do a radiological survey in the CEZ in April, but their focus wasn’t on determining the cause of the spikes. Investigators instead wanted to determine if Russian soldiers who dug trenches in a small section of the CEZ had released dangerous levels of radiation in that area that could have sickened the soldiers or anyone else who passed through that area. (The IAEA determined the radiation l…

>The dumbasses digging radioactive dirt probably didn’t even know about Chernobyl to begin with. Not probably. Definitely. Saw a couple of interviews with people who worked there while Russians took over the place. They said that most of the had no idea where they are (i.e. what Chernobyl is, what happened there, etc)

I’m going to call BS on this. Even if such videos existed, it’s completely implausible for something like that to true. Imagine asking random New Yorker’s what 9/11 was. Chernobyl is pretty close to being equivalent in terms of fame and media coverage. I’d be extremely surprised if you could find even 1% of people from a random sample who, when asked about Chernobyl, would respond with at least some vague statement about nuclear contamination and radiation.

Re: Radiation Spikes at Chernobyl

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Post by pmontra »

myth_drannon wrote: post #20
jncfhnb wrote: post #2

> The IAEA sent experts to do a radiological survey in the CEZ in April, but their focus wasn’t on determining the cause of the spikes. Investigators instead wanted to determine if Russian soldiers who dug trenches in a small section of the CEZ had released dangerous levels of radiation in that area that could have sickened the soldiers or anyone else who passed through that area. (The IAEA determined the radiation l…

Everyone knows about Chernobyl. Most likely what they didn't know was where they are. I saw too many videos of soldiers asking locals for directions in the first days of war.

I won't underestimate the ignorance of young people about anything happened before they started to realize that the world is larger than their home. This is about all generations.

And specifically:

> Everyone knows about Chernobyl.

And everyone knows about Tienanmen, the difference in what they know is made by the country where they live.

Compare this poll from 2019 with the expected values from Western Europe where probably 100% learned it from the news, for many many days.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/1040923/how-russians-lea....

The poll is a bit strange though because despite asking how did they learn of the disaster "at its moment of occurrence" they list internet, social media, books and movies.

BTW, the Chernobyl TV series was not available on general TV in Russia AFAIK.

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