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Post by hattmall »

ryanwaggoner wrote: post #86
globalreset wrote: post #11

Text. Just use damn text. Nobody wants to look at your logo. Why biz people have to ruin everything.

Approximately no one outside of HN only wants text emails. And the argument that anything beyond plain text is a waste and ruins everything applies to literally every single medium out there where the written word is conveyed: webpages, magazines, printed flyers, books, etc. It's laughable to think that all formatting of any kind beyond ASCII is a waste. If it were up to HN readers, the entire world would be so ugly…

Ultimately it depends on if it facilities the delivery of information. In most cases excessive styling does the opposite.

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Post by postalrat »

ryanwaggoner wrote: post #86
globalreset wrote: post #11

Text. Just use damn text. Nobody wants to look at your logo. Why biz people have to ruin everything.

Approximately no one outside of HN only wants text emails. And the argument that anything beyond plain text is a waste and ruins everything applies to literally every single medium out there where the written word is conveyed: webpages, magazines, printed flyers, books, etc. It's laughable to think that all formatting of any kind beyond ASCII is a waste. If it were up to HN readers, the entire world would be so ugly…

Why doesn't HN or reddit or most social media format messages in html like email? Email has been doing it for years. People would love it! Images, colors, tables, etc in every message!

And why not in text messages? Its 2023 guys.

Re: Why does email development have to suck? – Explaining all the <tr>'s and <td>'s

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Post by ttepasse »

SoftTalker wrote: post #88
thiht wrote: post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Once again the stereotypical HN comment of « no this is all wrong, my way is right » For all communications that matter today, email is HTML. No one cares that JohnFen choses to not render them as HTML.

Whast about text messages? We must have HTML in text message too, I think, so that we can use them more effectively.

I believe the 20 year old MMS standard supported in principle a XHTML subset via WAP.

Re: Why does email development have to suck? – Explaining all the <tr>'s and <td>'s

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Post by hollerith »

ryanwaggoner wrote: post #86
globalreset wrote: post #11

Text. Just use damn text. Nobody wants to look at your logo. Why biz people have to ruin everything.

Approximately no one outside of HN only wants text emails. And the argument that anything beyond plain text is a waste and ruins everything applies to literally every single medium out there where the written word is conveyed: webpages, magazines, printed flyers, books, etc. It's laughable to think that all formatting of any kind beyond ASCII is a waste. If it were up to HN readers, the entire world would be so ugly…

I love how there are thousands of internet forums, but you're a heavy participant on a forum that is so militantly text-only that emoji are silently removed from user-submitted content. It's almost like the policy you are arguing against has important effects on conversation quality that you don't understand or that you don't want to admit because your paycheck depends on email messages' being rendered as HTML.

>Approximately no one outside of HN only wants text emails.

Approximately no one outside of HN even knows that plain text is a thing distinct from HTML. Among those that do, many probably couldn't give an example from their digital experience of a place where user-submitted content must be plain text. (They can navigate those places just fine, though.)

Re: Why does email development have to suck? – Explaining all the <tr>'s and <td>'s

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Post by philposting »

ryanwaggoner wrote: post #86
globalreset wrote: post #11

Text. Just use damn text. Nobody wants to look at your logo. Why biz people have to ruin everything.

Approximately no one outside of HN only wants text emails. And the argument that anything beyond plain text is a waste and ruins everything applies to literally every single medium out there where the written word is conveyed: webpages, magazines, printed flyers, books, etc. It's laughable to think that all formatting of any kind beyond ASCII is a waste. If it were up to HN readers, the entire world would be so ugly…

Agreed. If things look good then I enjoy looking at them more, and life is to be enjoyed. But more importantly, it's wrong that plain text is always the best way to communicate. A picture is worth a thousand words (often), and a good layout can make things easier to read.

Re: Why does email development have to suck? – Explaining all the <tr>'s and <td>'s

#118

Post by 6510 »

ryanwaggoner wrote: post #86
globalreset wrote: post #11

Text. Just use damn text. Nobody wants to look at your logo. Why biz people have to ruin everything.

Approximately no one outside of HN only wants text emails. And the argument that anything beyond plain text is a waste and ruins everything applies to literally every single medium out there where the written word is conveyed: webpages, magazines, printed flyers, books, etc. It's laughable to think that all formatting of any kind beyond ASCII is a waste. If it were up to HN readers, the entire world would be so ugly…

It's more funny than that. Everyone wants text documents as well as rich documents as well as applications but no one wants a single file type to do all 3.

Re: Why does email development have to suck? – Explaining all the <tr>'s and <td>'s

#119

Post by haterforhire »

hollerith wrote: post #116
ryanwaggoner wrote: post #86

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Approximately no one outside of HN only wants text emails. And the argument that anything beyond plain text is a waste and ruins everything applies to literally every single medium out there where the written word is conveyed: webpages, magazines, printed flyers, books, etc. It's laughable to think that all formatting of any kind beyond ASCII is a waste. If it were up to HN readers, the entire world would be so ugly…

I love how there are thousands of internet forums, but you're a heavy participant on a forum that is so militantly text-only that emoji are silently removed from user-submitted content. It's almost like the policy you are arguing against has important effects on conversation quality that you don't understand or that you don't want to admit because your paycheck depends on email messages' being rendered as HTML. >Appr…

Given how long dang has been claiming that someday we won’t have pagination and everything will be fast, I’m guessing whatever arc garbage runs HN just couldn’t handle emoji 17 years ago or whatever and that’s what we are stuck with.

Basically, I don’t think it’s militantly text-only, it’s just shit.

Re: Why does email development have to suck? – Explaining all the <tr>'s and <td>'s

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Post by [deleted] »

haterforhire wrote: post #119
hollerith wrote: post #116

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I love how there are thousands of internet forums, but you're a heavy participant on a forum that is so militantly text-only that emoji are silently removed from user-submitted content. It's almost like the policy you are arguing against has important effects on conversation quality that you don't understand or that you don't want to admit because your paycheck depends on email messages' being rendered as HTML. >Appr…

Given how long dang has been claiming that someday we won’t have pagination and everything will be fast, I’m guessing whatever arc garbage runs HN just couldn’t handle emoji 17 years ago or whatever and that’s what we are stuck with. Basically, I don’t think it’s militantly text-only, it’s just shit.

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