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Moderna CEO made $400M last year–2,435x the median salary of employees

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Re: Moderna CEO made $400M last year–2,435x the median salary of employees

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Very convenient of you to entirely sidestep discussion of the original point: “80% income tax bracket at >$100M” It’s ridiculous that so many users of this startup accelerator forum want to ban private ownership. I guess I’ll bite… Why would anyone start/own a company if the government is just gonna liquidate your legal ownership? It would be more lucrative to find the easiest job and do the bare minimum than be CEO…

Ignoring all of your other garbage… starting a company is not an inherent good, and filtering out sociopathic career climbers would absolutely be an improvement.

Starting a company is not inherent good, but rather a prerequisite for a prosperous economy.

Who do you think maintains supply chains? Who is gonna sell food, energy, and build infrastructure? Entrepreneurship and capitalism for all its ugly tendencies has lifted more people out of poverty than any other system.

Where does this ideology come from that says people will produce goods/services for free? Nobody is going to build homes or drill for oil without a financial inventive.

Re: Moderna CEO made $400M last year–2,435x the median salary of employees

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I’m curious to hear why it matters how much anyone makes. If the concern is that they’ll buy too much critical stuff, why not just limit that? If the concern is outsized political influence, why not stop that? Etc. I will say it’s strange the government doesn’t have substantial stake in this company given the subsidies. Same with Tesla and many others too.

Let's say there are 1000 people in an economy with $1M floating around. In one version of this scenario, every person ends up with $1000. In another version, most people end up with $500, and one person ends up with $500,000. This creates a scenario where the preferences of that one individual come to dominate the structure of the economy (because the preferences of the other 999 people will, in aggregate, be scatted…

Your analogy doesn’t make any sense. How exactly is the preference of the one individual dominant? Please do describe in detail.

People love to hate on the rich but forget that simply having money isn’t the actual problem. The problem are institutions that are easily influenced by money.

Or to put it simply, how is your wealth (and if youre on here you are wealthy by global standards) negatively affecting the global poor?

Re: Moderna CEO made $400M last year–2,435x the median salary of employees

#83

I’m curious to hear why it matters how much anyone makes. If the concern is that they’ll buy too much critical stuff, why not just limit that? If the concern is outsized political influence, why not stop that? Etc. I will say it’s strange the government doesn’t have substantial stake in this company given the subsidies. Same with Tesla and many others too.

Let's say there are 1000 people in an economy with $1M floating around. In one version of this scenario, every person ends up with $1000. In another version, most people end up with $500, and one person ends up with $500,000. This creates a scenario where the preferences of that one individual come to dominate the structure of the economy (because the preferences of the other 999 people will, in aggregate, be scatted…

This analysis ignores that the $500K person gets one vote like the $500 people each do.

Re: Moderna CEO made $400M last year–2,435x the median salary of employees

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post #29

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I dont understand this comment, sorry.

Selling shares to raise money to donate to charity feels highly likely to net negative social good regardless of how the funds are spent. You could simply retain ownership of an important biomedical company or you could share it with employees. Selling shares for money that you then give away is dumb.

Pre-planned sales for execs are often buybacks or are sold to selected investors/shareholders.

Companies often impose limits on how many shares execs and employees in general can hold at any give. time, and most regulatory/legal frameworks put caps too.

In the UK for example when employees own more than 5% share in a company they are no longer treated as regular employees.

Re: Moderna CEO made $400M last year–2,435x the median salary of employees

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Let's say there are 1000 people in an economy with $1M floating around. In one version of this scenario, every person ends up with $1000. In another version, most people end up with $500, and one person ends up with $500,000. This creates a scenario where the preferences of that one individual come to dominate the structure of the economy (because the preferences of the other 999 people will, in aggregate, be scatted…

Your analogy doesn’t make any sense. How exactly is the preference of the one individual dominant? Please do describe in detail. People love to hate on the rich but forget that simply having money isn’t the actual problem. The problem are institutions that are easily influenced by money. Or to put it simply, how is your wealth (and if youre on here you are wealthy by global standards) negatively affecting the global…

> How exactly is the preference of the one individual dominant?

The other 999 people will have a diverse set of preferences for services and goods within the economy. They will share some, and not others. But each of them has only $500 to spend on those services and goods, and so anything not widely shared among them doesn't offer much of an incentive in terms of potential income to anyone who might offer goods and services. If something doesn't appeal to a sizable majority of the 999, there's likely to be too little chance at sufficient revenue to pursue it.

By contrast, the high value individual has $500,000 available to spend on their own singular preferences for goods and services, providing a strong incentive for providers of those things to cater to this individual. The changes of being to have a reliable, significant revenue flow from doing what they want are quite good.

Consequently, the economy ends up being structured (to some degree) around the preferences of the wealthy individual, rather than the broader public.

Of course, this is not a "hard divide" ... obviously there will be some things that all 999 others (and even the 1 rich individual) want, and some part of the economy will respond to that. However, even for such basic things as, say, bread, preferences can be wildly divergent, meaning that a single provider is not likely to tap into the entire potential market for that generic. And obviously there are also risks in this thought experiment scenario, because there is only a single high wealth individual - fail to accurately target their preferences, and you're potentially worse off than catering to everyone else.

Obviously, a more realistic example would (e.g.) involve 1% (say, 3M) individuals of high net worth/income, amidst 330M+ individuals of varying levels of net worth/income. In this scenario, there is more scope for providers of goods and services to cater to relatively unpopular things, because amidst the 330M lower-income folk, there will likely be enough to make it potentially worthwhile.

But this is true only to a point. If enough of the lower income folk don't really have much disposable income at all, their preferences for non-essential items will not translate into actual purchases of goods and services that they may otherwise be desirous of.

And of course, with 1M high income people, their preferences will be more diverse than in the thought experiment. However, the deck is still stacked in favor of businesses that seek to cater to those with more money, because of the unbalanced distribution of wealth & income.

In this more realistic example (i.e. the contemporary USA), a sizable chunk of the economy remains focused on the preferences/needs of the majority. But a much bigger slice of GDP flows around the preferences and needs of the very wealthy than would be the case with a more balanced distribution of income/wealth, and I maintain that this constitutes a harm to the economy and the entire population.

Re: Moderna CEO made $400M last year–2,435x the median salary of employees

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post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Let's say there are 1000 people in an economy with $1M floating around. In one version of this scenario, every person ends up with $1000. In another version, most people end up with $500, and one person ends up with $500,000. This creates a scenario where the preferences of that one individual come to dominate the structure of the economy (because the preferences of the other 999 people will, in aggregate, be scatted…

This analysis ignores that the $500K person gets one vote like the $500 people each do.

This analysis is focused on economic power, not political power.

If it was about political power, it would still have to be noted that despite some effort, the fact that wealth doesn't literally buy you extra votes doesn't eliminate wealth giving you more influence over political priorities and decisions.

Re: Moderna CEO made $400M last year–2,435x the median salary of employees

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post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This analysis ignores that the $500K person gets one vote like the $500 people each do.

This analysis is focused on economic power, not political power. If it was about political power, it would still have to be noted that despite some effort, the fact that wealth doesn't literally buy you extra votes doesn't eliminate wealth giving you more influence over political priorities and decisions.

How exactly is economic power divorced from political power and vice versa? Power is power.

Re: Moderna CEO made $400M last year–2,435x the median salary of employees

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post #88

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This analysis is focused on economic power, not political power. If it was about political power, it would still have to be noted that despite some effort, the fact that wealth doesn't literally buy you extra votes doesn't eliminate wealth giving you more influence over political priorities and decisions.

How exactly is economic power divorced from political power and vice versa? Power is power.

If I have $2B, but no interest in politics. I can get things made, I can buy out or price out competitors, I can buy property to obstruct/divert things that I do or don't want, I can launch companies doing things I think ought to be done ...

None of these require political power in the sense of actually voting nor in the sense of lobbying/bribing/donating to politicians.

Moreover, the people who will feel the effect of my spending/investment may be disjoint from the people who would feel the effect of me exerting political power via money.

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