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An entire Mobile OS built using HTML, CSS and JS - by Mozilla

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Re: An entire Mobile OS built using HTML, CSS and JS - by Mozilla

#71
This is awesome.. and it is the way forward if every device can just run a browser then what is the need for an OS, you can port anything straight to the browser.

With the likes of HTML5, jQuery, WebGL, AWS everyone could be making their own OS on the web.

It is really not that hard or revolutionary it's just using existing services effectively.. Let's carry on this way.

+rep for mozilla (gone up in my estimates)

Re: An entire Mobile OS built using HTML, CSS and JS - by Mozilla

#73
post #36

I feel like I have just seen the future and it is very bright. This would make mobile development so much easier and open up a completely new range of possibilities. Just imagine .... - writing just one app that runs on every desktop and mobile phone out there. - apps which update entirely automatically, without any extra line of code, because they are basically just cached versions of a website. - a designer, who ju…

Just imagine... - One terrible interface for everything - Apps that update to broken versions without asking you and can't be reverted - A web designer, who knows nothing about UI design for an app let alone the specific UI conventions of each device pumping out apps - An ecosystem where it's a complete free for all. That always works out right? Yeah I think I'm going to stop imagining now.

This is another Visual Basic craze, in which someone creates a way for non-programmers to program and everyone piles on thinking it will be the next big thing.

Re: An entire Mobile OS built using HTML, CSS and JS - by Mozilla

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post #45
post #18

The user interface doesn't look very smooth. It doesn't matter how good the UI looks (and it does look good) if it doesn't feel right.

It's improved significantly since that video.

Interesting. Do you have a video or link?

Re: An entire Mobile OS built using HTML, CSS and JS - by Mozilla

#76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's more than a user interface though. It's a platform for Web applications that let those apps reach all the way down to the full capabilities of the hardware.

Perhaps we share a definition disconnect. Is X11 a platform for a user interface or is it a OS? I lean to the former definition but I'll be the first to agree that I come from an earlier time. When 'windows' came out it really was a user interface on top of MS/PC-DOS (and it still is IMO) however now several generations of folks have been brought up saying that Windows was the OS.

I don't think recent versions of windows can realistically be thought of as a UI on top of MS/PC-DOS anymore.

Re: An entire Mobile OS built using HTML, CSS and JS - by Mozilla

#77
post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Any serious candidate for an operating system is going to be complex. Personally I'm a little dismayed at current efforts to turn the browser into yet another cross-platform utopia. Some things will always be better native and pushing all this junk into the web browser just gets in the way of making basic things like a sane layout model that much more difficult.

Then just stick with the DOM and XHR APIs. Those alone have been consistently crushing most desktop applications since ~2003.

Wow. Can you clarify? Are you saying something like Google docs is crushing Microsoft Office? What DOM/XHR app is crushing photoshop?

I think there is a new class of "apps" that are emerging as web based, but they are creating a new segment as opposed to crushing an existing one.

Re: An entire Mobile OS built using HTML, CSS and JS - by Mozilla

#78
post #53
post #41

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So the plan is to force the UI-team to work in javascript and that way automatically get rid of the kernel-guys? No, but seriously, who does that today? (aside from one-man operations) And how is this going to help? As to a third party GUI, I'm fond of the idea in for instance the android world. Instead of manufacturer-specific user interfaces, why not a third party interface developed by an independent company that…

> No, but seriously, who does that today? (aside from one-man operations) And how is this going to help? People used to write code in assembly and interface directly with the hardware. Then OSes and compilers came and made everything easier for everyone involved. Only a few highly specialized hackers know how to write device drivers and assembly anymore. I am convinced that in a few years from now (remember I was tal…

I'm not arguing against the use of a high-level language.

I also thought of *nix as an example, and that is in my eyes a perfect example of how you do not want it to be (the result at least).

I don't get the need for many different interfaces. You do realize that as an app developer you have to constantly adjust your app for different interfaces, and people complain they have to make high-resolution interfaces for the ipad3 - that's nothing compared to trying to adapt to different user interfaces.

A user interface is an investment, a whole ecosystem that many generations of applications depend upon. You don't just change it at will, think about all the inconsistencies you'd have to deal with.

Re: An entire Mobile OS built using HTML, CSS and JS - by Mozilla

#79
post #38

There are a lot of "looks promising" comments here. Am I the only one who thinks this does NOT look promising? Aside from games, rendering a markup language is one the most taxing things we do on our mobile devices. When I get handed a new phone to play with, the first thing I do is load a non-mobile optimized website and see how it scrolls. This worst-case scenario is a good indicator for how laggy and jittery a mob…

And that's why we all still use Outlook instead of Gmail and Encarta Atlas instead of Google Maps, right?

Lots of us do use actual applications on our actual computers. If I didn't receive a GMail app with my Android phone by default, I would go download a Thunderbird-equivalent app. Web applications are bloated sacks of and perform similarly on anything smaller than my desktop-replacement laptop.

Re: An entire Mobile OS built using HTML, CSS and JS - by Mozilla

#80
post #35

"This is now just running the web directly." This makes absolutely no sense. This is borderline an insult to system developers -- because system software is what the device is running directly. I'm all for people to state a bit of sensationalist statements so they can sell there shit and be understood by the general public and so over, but this is going way too far. Being proud of an intrinsically limited product (th…

>This makes absolutely no sense. This is borderline an insult to system developers -- because system software is what the device is running directly.

It's ok. We're used to it. From the desktop to the laptop to the netbook to the phone, Mozilla and Google have been trying to exterminate us for years.

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