> The contention that filming and uploading (and even hosting video of) a crime is a crime as well might not be valid, but given the very nature of live broadcasts, the issue becomes more complicated.
Is suicide a crime?
19 year old from Florida commits suicide on Justin.tv
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Re: 19 year old from Florida commits suicide on Justin.tv
#142A kid broadcasts his death on your service, allegedly egged on by your community, and your CEO statement falls back on cut-and-paste boilerplate? Do better. Fast.
It would seem to me that they should have planned on this kind of scenario. It doesn't have to be specific they just have to be able to plug some words into a statement about something tragic, but uncomfirmed on their network. It's basic risk management. That said, people are always going to pick holes in whatever words you use. They are either not enough or too insincere.
"people are always going to pick holes in whatever words you use"
That's precisely why you should have the boilerplate prepared by PR and law professionals.
Re: 19 year old from Florida commits suicide on Justin.tv
#143Earlier quoted context omitted.
Hmm, I certainly think the point that the post you quote is getting at does have some relevance. However, I personally feel that it is the anonymity of the poster more so than that of the victim which contributes to this "astonishing cruelty" that is sometimes evident online. I agree that it's not personal on the part of the poster. In 99.9% of cases, really how could it be? I believe the "private exercise of retalia…
Yeah the analogy is a bit flawed, I think of it more as, "Are you really mad at the person driving the car for that event or are you projecting your other frustrations and hatred onto that person because they are a safe target." The anonymity of the poster certainly has a lot to do with it too. I just liked the comment because it gave me a different perspective on the issue.
"Are you really mad at the person driving the car for that event or are you projecting your other frustrations and hatred onto that person because they are a safe target."
Yes, that makes more sense and is along the lines of my own thinking above.
Re: 19 year old from Florida commits suicide on Justin.tv
#144Pills? If you're going to live broadcast your own death, make it more interesting than watching paint dry. Sheesh.
memo to self: stop using ticketstumbler.com
> memo to self: stop using ticketstumbler.com
That this comment got modded so high is downright shameful. Rather than disagree and state your reasons you would choose to escalate this into an attack on someone's livelihood. This is intended to be a community where we can speak freely among our peers, and you and your little cheerleading posse have perverted that.
I'm really trying to understand where you're coming from. I don't know if this is simply a last resort because you're unable to articulate exactly why you so vehemently disagree or if this is a threat you intend to follow through with. I can assure you that if you do, in fact, intend to avoid doing business or associating with those you have disagreed with at one time or another you are going to be living in a very lonely world.
Re: 19 year old from Florida commits suicide on Justin.tv
#145Pills? If you're going to live broadcast your own death, make it more interesting than watching paint dry. Sheesh.
I have since apologize for this stupid comment here: http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=371638 I didn't reply here because I doubt the down-vote wave has crested.
I don't see any problems with dark humor, much worse is said around my office. No one could possibly be serious when saying that sort of stuff.
Re: 19 year old from Florida commits suicide on Justin.tv
#146This is one of those critical moments that may well define how people think about this company in the future. As mentioned before, the CEO needs to do better, right away. Just to clarify, I am referring to the response, not to the actual event.
This also might be a critical moment when people have to decide what rights and responsibilities a site has to the content it distributes, whether that be HD-DVD keys or a video stream of one's suicide.
I'd never bet my company on a political shift happening exactly when I need it to.
Re: 19 year old from Florida commits suicide on Justin.tv
#147I'm holding back tears. We must find a way to make the internet a nicer place. Such astonishing cruelty breeds here. Why?
This german article gives some good reasons: http://www.spiegel.de/netzwelt/web/0,1518,591783,00.html (in german, unfortunately). Maybe some people really are cruel, but there are other reasons (as with the shoutings of "jump already" if somebody jumps off the roof). People resent being manipulated, which a suicide does (just look at the pushy comments here, about what justin.tv HAS to do now). And by saying "so what" they make the suicide seem meaningless, which might help in some cases to prevent it - if the suicide candidate wants the attention but doesn't get it.
Re: 19 year old from Florida commits suicide on Justin.tv
#148Earlier quoted context omitted.
>> your CEO statement falls back on cut-and-paste boilerplate? >> You HAVE to fall on boilerplate or you will be crucified, by your lawyer if no one else. You just have to pick the right boilerplate: If what you say has happened, that is a terrible tragedy. We will be conducting an internal investigation of the matter. Justin.tv in no way condones comments of the nature you have described. If we find that someone has…
It's entirely possible, and should be second nature for any CEO, to draft a statement that's both legally prudent AND shows a modicum of empathy. What they shouldn't do is try to throw their own role into question until the facts are on the table. Try this: "Everyone at Justin.tv is deeply shocked and saddened by this news. In the upcoming days, we will conduct a thorough investigation of the events surrounding this…
At which point his lawyer would phone up and tell him what a pillock he was, how open it left them and to please use the damn boilerplates that the qualified lawyers wrote :)
Re: 19 year old from Florida commits suicide on Justin.tv
#149I'm holding back tears. We must find a way to make the internet a nicer place. Such astonishing cruelty breeds here. Why?
Can't be done. What we need to do (and should have before the internet) is have a better support system for people with mental health issues. Once you're broadcasting the fact that you're thinking about suicide on the net, it's only a matter of time. It's a shame that people seem to have spurred him on, but there's a really high chance people in his life saw something coming (or would have if they knew what to look f…
I guess in many cases the problem is that it is not obvious how to react to mental health issues. There are only theories on how to cure someone, but few certain measurements. Still, at least attempts at cures should be made (or at prevention).
Re: 19 year old from Florida commits suicide on Justin.tv
#150Protip: This is not Justin.TV's fault. This is no ones fault but the adult's (he was over 18). It really is that simple - though you wouldn't know it from the media. America: where self-entitlement lives on and accountability goes to die.
That is true, but regardless, egging someone on who appears to be on the edge of suicide is simply inhuman.
I think before one can make comments like that you need ot have the FULL story.
Unless people here are parto f the community and new the guy (it seems he cried wolf several times) you cant really pass judgement on what was said (except in some of the cases...).
I also see (in the threads cache) people telling him it was a bad idea. I really doubt he was listening to any of them anyway....