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Buy Me a Chair: The wacky world of university endowments

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Re: Buy Me a Chair: The wacky world of university endowments

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I told the university CS department that I wanted to endow a chair there. Not a professorship -- an actual chair, that you can sit in. They'd heard that joke before, unfortunately. I think they're missing a financial opportunity here :)

Perhaps they could have persuaded if you'd pointed out that support for the fundaments of researchers is just as sorely needed as support for research of fundamentals, dohohoho.

Re: Buy Me a Chair: The wacky world of university endowments

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I went to a graduation a few years ago at Carnegie Mellon. Some hedge fund guy was making his biggest donation yet and gave the commencement speech. It was endlessly about him and the new building to be named after him and how he was about to own an NFL football team. There was a Nobel Prize winner seated next to him on stage. I don't think she got to say anything, but was recognized for her work in cancer research.…

to be fair, if she had finished the job and cured cancer, she could buy a Premier League team* (*cuz academics == soccer) There is a natural tendency to diminish money as a measure of anything good, but money really is the yardstick by which we jointly measure all things, trading off time with kids, family, travel, leisure against other priorities, and being rewarded by the rest of society for our contributions to wh…

Leaving aside the exact numbers, there are also ways in that appreciated assets can be donated, the gains are basically tax shielded, and an annuity based on an actuarial determined portion of the assets can be paid out.

The details are more complicated than that of course.

Re: Buy Me a Chair: The wacky world of university endowments

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sorry, dude, but am an UHNW individual, my income comes from investments, and year in year out I pay about 50% in tax (don't forget state and city income tax, and alternative minimum wipes out long term capital gain favoritism)

Surely the most wealthy are not paying 50% income tax on their annual increase in net wealth (see what I did there)? When there are so many ways to avoid it.

income is realized capital gains, not unrealized, and "increase in net wealth" doesn't mean anything. see what I did there? used the words for what they mean.

Re: Buy Me a Chair: The wacky world of university endowments

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My family endowed a (small) prize in memory of our academic parents. Universities overwhelmingly prefer untied donations, but some significant "God, not on sports, please" incidents have led to suspicion of how they think donors feel about the spending.

(The prize is to the most deserving student irrespective of academic status, across arts/architecture and computer science and from feedback has been a godsend to some cash strapped mature students at times. I'm happy)

Re: Buy Me a Chair: The wacky world of university endowments

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I went to a graduation a few years ago at Carnegie Mellon. Some hedge fund guy was making his biggest donation yet and gave the commencement speech. It was endlessly about him and the new building to be named after him and how he was about to own an NFL football team. There was a Nobel Prize winner seated next to him on stage. I don't think she got to say anything, but was recognized for her work in cancer research.…

> The juxtaposition felt Kafkaesque and a bit sleazy

How surprising that Carnegie[1] Mellon[2] University would honor a businessman and financier who donated a small fortune to the school!

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_Carnegie [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_Mellon

Re: Buy Me a Chair: The wacky world of university endowments

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post #7
post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sorry, dude, but am an UHNW individual, my income comes from investments, and year in year out I pay about 50% in tax (don't forget state and city income tax, and alternative minimum wipes out long term capital gain favoritism)

You need to get more money, then youll be able to avoid those taxes, seems to be the point. Paradise Papers leak reveals secrets of the world elite's hidden wealth https://amp.theguardian.com/news/2017/nov/05/paradise-papers...

I pursue an investment strategy that would make those tricks highly risky, and or inconvenient. The tradeoff is that I believe I make more money the way I'm doing it, including the taxes I pay.

Re: Buy Me a Chair: The wacky world of university endowments

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I told the university CS department that I wanted to endow a chair there. Not a professorship -- an actual chair, that you can sit in. They'd heard that joke before, unfortunately. I think they're missing a financial opportunity here :)

Did they refuse to take your money? That seems unusual.

They could have taken your money, and written your name on the underside of the chair with a Sharpie pen.

Re: Buy Me a Chair: The wacky world of university endowments

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Related: Ask HN: How to convince my parents to buy me a good chair? - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=585571 - April 2009 (7 comments) (I'm joking)

During the early days of Covid, Microsoft bought me an Aeron chair with all the bells and whistles. It didn't even take any convincing. They just said "here's $$$$ kid, go buy yourself some office equipment"

Re: Buy Me a Chair: The wacky world of university endowments

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post #4

I went to a graduation a few years ago at Carnegie Mellon. Some hedge fund guy was making his biggest donation yet and gave the commencement speech. It was endlessly about him and the new building to be named after him and how he was about to own an NFL football team. There was a Nobel Prize winner seated next to him on stage. I don't think she got to say anything, but was recognized for her work in cancer research.…

to be fair, if she had finished the job and cured cancer, she could buy a Premier League team* (*cuz academics == soccer) There is a natural tendency to diminish money as a measure of anything good, but money really is the yardstick by which we jointly measure all things, trading off time with kids, family, travel, leisure against other priorities, and being rewarded by the rest of society for our contributions to wh…

Giving a 50 million dollar donation does not mean you owe zero tax on 100 million of income. It means you owe exactly the same amount of tax on every dime you kept. Deducting charitable donations just means reducing your income by that amount. You still pay tax on all the rest.

Secondly, there are annual limits on the amount you can deduct, percentage wise. What the limit is exactly is circumstantially contingent, but you are not allowed (generally) to zero out your income even if you donate 100% of it.

That being said, I agree that donating to universities is one of the dumber forms of philanthropy.

Re: Buy Me a Chair: The wacky world of university endowments

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I went to a graduation a few years ago at Carnegie Mellon. Some hedge fund guy was making his biggest donation yet and gave the commencement speech. It was endlessly about him and the new building to be named after him and how he was about to own an NFL football team. There was a Nobel Prize winner seated next to him on stage. I don't think she got to say anything, but was recognized for her work in cancer research.…

Do you know who Carnegie Mellon is named after? This is an amusing take either way.
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