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Is Germany once again the sick man of Europe?

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Re: Is Germany once again the sick man of Europe?

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Post by 0xDEF »

bgdam wrote: post #26

As an immigrant (and a very well paid one paying obnoxiously high taxes), I've recommended every single person asking if they should move from India to Germany to not to. The only upgrade is in cleaner air to breathe and safety from crime. If you're in the higher earning bracket in India, then you get these there itself. So then moving to Germany from India is like stepping back into 1996. Every single thing is so ob…

>Every single thing is so obsolete. Nothing is digitized. Everything requires a giant stack of actual paperwork to be taken to an office where the whims of the clerk dictate everything. A million rules exist in the hopes that they cover all possible scenarios, but inevitable they don't and if you happen to have a scenario which is not covered, you're shit out of luck because the clerk is sure as shit not going to put their ass on the line and make a decision not explicitly present in the rule book.

>You pay through the nose for health insurance, but when you need to find a doctor, none can take you because their quota of public insurance patients is done for the quarter.

Just a reminder to anyone reading this: These are Germany-specific problems that don't exist in other Northern European countries like Denmark.

Re: Is Germany once again the sick man of Europe?

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Post by faust201 »

bgdam wrote: post #110
coffe2mug wrote: post #102

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> Perhaps, perhaps not. I'll get an EU passport next year. Oops scratch that the wait for naturalization is now upto two years. So I'll get an EU passport in 3 years, and then the right to be able to move to any of 27 countries at my discretion will more than make up for this time and energy I've spent here. Hope, you will come back and report here and guide Indians/expats... If it is better/worse elsewhere. (As some…

Lol, expecting your residence permit to not take 9 months to get renewed is Ambani level privilege? Expecting to get a doctor's appointment in a couple of weeks is privilege? > If this level of greatness is true then why are you here? I can even tell you that even at this level of richness you won't Believe it or not, it is true. You get paid more in India if you're an experienced and capable software dev than you do…

> I shouldn't criticize those things that are horribly broken - esp. when the politicians show no signs of wanting to fix them.

Of course, they do criticize. Are you even reading German news or staying only in thelocal.de or facebook for information.

so many subs incl r/legaladvicegerman constantly critical of system. I dare you to be critical of Indian system.

see Oliver Welke's "heute-show". Like Jon Stewart's Daily show.

Any change takes time. You have some bad experiences. But I know so many Indians/ Filipinos in Frankfurt with great experiences. Getting even PR residency in 1 month and passport in 6 months.

I have a feeling from your constant repeat of "I make more money than others across many threads" - it seems like you want things to happen 24/7 as you have MONEY. That is wrong.

Even a skilled plumber or skilled IT giant like you are treated equally. You think you need to be invited to FAST track like first class in planes and given service. That is not here. Go to UAE or Liechtenstein or Luxembourg.

Germany works more or less for middle class. Everyone is treated equally.

Re: Is Germany once again the sick man of Europe?

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Post by faust201 »

bgdam wrote: post #92
sony22 wrote: post #78

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I am not a german but from India. while there is lack of digitialisation but most things work fine > So then moving to Germany from India is like stepping back into 1996. Seriously then leave the country. > Germany will stay as it is for ever - there is no need to change in their view. You are attacking Germans. - Million rules exist and if followed then it works smoothly. - I know vast majority of Indians think bure…

> - Million rules exist and if followed then it works smoothly. They don't cover all possible scenarios. Unless you are stuck in the no mans land things seem to work well for you. If instead Beamten were given the autonomy to make certain decisions not strictly by the rule book then this wouldn't be a problem. > - I know vast majority of Indians think bureaucracy works like India I don't expect it to work like in Ind…

> the VIP treatment if I ever had to step into a hospital.

This is the problem for you. You got VIP treatment in India as you say you get better than FAANG salaries. No. Whether you are a plumber or $M you wait in the same queue.

For you that is painful.

Re: Is Germany once again the sick man of Europe?

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Post by Gud »

2-718-281-828 wrote: post #156
Gud wrote: post #150

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Switzerland, Scandinavia, AFAIK Estonia. The UAE has excellent administration.

switzerland: possible - but many migrants complain about it being almost impossible to get accepted there beyond being a law abiding work force. scandinavia: (not a country) strong contestants. estonia: not really - i have several estonian friends who will give you a long list of reasons why germany is the better place to live and work. personally, i really like estonia. have been there many times. uae (or singapure)…

I live in Switzerland already(and they are not in the EU).

Re: Is Germany once again the sick man of Europe?

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Post by ballenf »

dhruvrajvanshi wrote: post #124
bgdam wrote: post #26

As an immigrant (and a very well paid one paying obnoxiously high taxes), I've recommended every single person asking if they should move from India to Germany to not to. The only upgrade is in cleaner air to breathe and safety from crime. If you're in the higher earning bracket in India, then you get these there itself. So then moving to Germany from India is like stepping back into 1996. Every single thing is so ob…

I'm also an Indian guy working in Germany paying "obnoxiously high taxes", and my experience has been quite different. > The only upgrade is in cleaner air to breathe and safety from crime - Easy access to parks - Good public transport (I used to live in Delhi, and it has an okay metro connectivity, but nowhere close to what even smaller German cities have). - Traffic. I liked living in India, but holy shit, the traf…

Just one note on my experience finding an apartment as an Ausländer there, I overpaid and had few options until I greatly grew my local network. So many apartments changed hands between friends/friends-of-friends -- person moving out introduces new person to landlord basically -- that they never make it to any property listing. And these are the best and cheapest apartments. Landlords I dealt with owned one or two apartments, instead of whole buildings so that approach worked well for them.

Re: Is Germany once again the sick man of Europe?

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Post by throwaway736282 »

littlecranky67 wrote: post #159
mschuster91 wrote: post #146

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The thing is, the "time to start" is practically zero. You file the Gewerbeanmeldung and can start working immediately after, and do the rest (apply for a tax ID, ELSTER, IHK contributions) later on in the next weeks. Been through that twice. With the LLCs you can also operate as "UG/GmbH in Gründung" for a limited time if you need to start fast, but never went that route. > you are in for a surprise when the tax acc…

Thats also wrong, because you cant invoice without tax id.

You clearly should speak to a tax advisor because the facts you're stating are just wrong. From the minute you applied tax-id, you can invoice with the remark that you will supply the tax-id later. So parentposter is infact right.

But it's probably easier to just rant, instead of gathering basic information.

Re: Is Germany once again the sick man of Europe?

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Post by lispm »

bgdam wrote: post #142
wink wrote: post #121

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Well, you originally put this as your talking point, more of a general rant how everything sucks, and then we should assume that your pain points with immigration are the main point. I just found https://de.statista.com/statistik/daten/studie/28347/umfrage... - which looks like a big jump (e.g. comparing to France https://de.statista.com/statistik/daten/studie/461789/umfrag... ) In a perfect world I'd assume this wou…

> In a perfect world I'd assume this would be fixed slowly as this seems to be a recent trend, but I'm not hopeful. Yes, I thought the Ampel coalition's push for digitization was a great start to this. And then I read last week that they slashed the budget and pushed it back again. So I'm losing hope too.

There is still money from the current budget.

The problem is that digitalization is just one of the problems we have.

Currently we are paying billions for energy related issues, for the Ukraine war and investing lots into the military industry and in energy infrastructure transformation. We had three years covid slowing things down and creating various large problems: inner cities have huge problems keeping businesses alive (because people stay home and shopping moved to online) and there is a huge housing crisis due to large amounts of people coming germany (demand) and low building activity due to shortage of materials/labor and price increases. This all costs huge amount of money.

Germany is disrupted by the Ukraine war started by Russia and the economic boycott against Russia.

Digitalization is important, but people feared more about cold homes and about lack of electricity, than lack of public service digitalization.

Re: Is Germany once again the sick man of Europe?

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Post by littlecranky67 »

throwaway736282 wrote: post #166
littlecranky67 wrote: post #159

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Thats also wrong, because you cant invoice without tax id.

You clearly should speak to a tax advisor because the facts you're stating are just wrong. From the minute you applied tax-id, you can invoice with the remark that you will supply the tax-id later. So parentposter is infact right. But it's probably easier to just rant, instead of gathering basic information.

And thats why you use a throwaway?

Edit: and another, less obvious throwaway to answer this thread :) I'm not resorting in any way to personal threats, I'm just pointing out throwaway-account usage.

Edit2: And the reply to this thread is removed, as I pointed out the other obvious throwaway usage. There was antoher answer by throwaway "iiiieu". I'm quiting this discussion, mschuster91, save your throwaway creations :P

Re: Is Germany once again the sick man of Europe?

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Post by mschuster91 »

littlecranky67 wrote: post #159
mschuster91 wrote: post #146

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The thing is, the "time to start" is practically zero. You file the Gewerbeanmeldung and can start working immediately after, and do the rest (apply for a tax ID, ELSTER, IHK contributions) later on in the next weeks. Been through that twice. With the LLCs you can also operate as "UG/GmbH in Gründung" for a limited time if you need to start fast, but never went that route. > you are in for a surprise when the tax acc…

Thats also wrong, because you cant invoice without tax id.

You absolutely can [1], you just have to issue the bill with the tax ID again once you have it (a week worth of waiting time).

[1] https://www.existenzgruender.de/SharedDocs/BMWi-Expertenforu...

Re: Is Germany once again the sick man of Europe?

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Post by littlecranky67 »

mschuster91 wrote: post #169
littlecranky67 wrote: post #159

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Thats also wrong, because you cant invoice without tax id.

You absolutely can [1], you just have to issue the bill with the tax ID again once you have it (a week worth of waiting time). [1] https://www.existenzgruender.de/SharedDocs/BMWi-Expertenforu...

Sure but you are splitting hairs. If I enter a shop to buy sth and the clerk tells me I have to check back in a couple of weeks to get the proper invoice, I as a customer take my business elsewhere.
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