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“Green smoothie cleanse” causing acute oxalate nephropathy

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Post by darth_avocado »

SECProto wrote: post #88
tomcar288 wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Fact check: Kale only has 20mg of oxalates per 100g which means 2 lbs has about 180mg of oxalates. https://e-cnr.org/ViewImage.php?Type=TH&aid=487614&id=T9&afn... 180mg of oxalates isn't that much. Most people consume 200 to 300 mg of oxalates per day: https://www.webmd.com/diet/foods-high-in-oxalates and with regards to water. I believe, it's when you sip on water all day that the danger of brain swelling occurs bec…

They highlighted spinach for the kidney stones (i.e. oxalates). Per your chart, they are at 970 mg/100g, so two pounds of spinach would be roughly 9000mg of oxalates.

One of the reason I eat raw spinach only in moderation. It’s a completely different story however if you cook it. You could blanch spinach and then crush it into your soothie and all the oxalates would be broken down.

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darth_avocado wrote: post #101
SECProto wrote: post #88

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They highlighted spinach for the kidney stones (i.e. oxalates). Per your chart, they are at 970 mg/100g, so two pounds of spinach would be roughly 9000mg of oxalates.

One of the reason I eat raw spinach only in moderation. It’s a completely different story however if you cook it. You could blanch spinach and then crush it into your soothie and all the oxalates would be broken down.

As this disagreed with recommendation I had from a doctor, I just looked it up. Cooking spinach certainly reduces oxalates, maybe about 50%. It does not eliminate them.

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Post by nonbirithm »

hn_throwaway_99 wrote: post #89
nikolay wrote: post #66

I've been arguing for years with vegans who drink copious amounts for thyroid-damaging kale and kidney-stone-forming spinach juices. Many of the plants are rich in anti-nutrients and natural toxins to weed off predators. Having a normal-size salad is one thing, drinking 2 pounds of kale is something else. People should learn more abou Hormesis and why too much of the bad thing is bad and too little of it is a good th…

The thing to me that is so ironic about juicing is that most people who are super into things like juicing and "juice cleanses" (whatever the hell that means) are totally against "processed" foods. I'm like "What do you think a juicer is??" You just took that natural plant that's loaded with healthy fiber, removed all the fiber and concentrated it so it's mostly sugar and water. If you process it at home it's still p…

Maybe it's because processing implies adding extra/artificial things to the food but there isn't as much of a stigma from taking a natural food and only removing things from it. It allows the food to remain "unadulterated" in one's mind while still becoming unhealthier.

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Post by generalizations »

maxerickson wrote: post #100
zer8k wrote: post #94

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is arguing semantics really. When people say "processed" they don't mean run through a blender, or mashed in a bowl, etc. They mean food that is processed industrially with a bunch of (usually unnecessary) chemicals added to stabilize or enrich the food. Oreos are a processed food. Cake you make at home from whole ingredients is not processed. You are correct technically (the best kind of correct) but in every d…

Which ingredient in Oreos make them different than a home made cake? https://www.mondelezinternationalfoodservice.com/Product/Pro... Like the flour you use to make a cake has been altered from its whole state more than a little bit. So has the sugar. And of course, both ingredients are used in Oreos, for roughly the same reasons you'd use them at home. I suppose most people don't cook with palm oil and soy lecithin.

Not going to bother with reformatting (on my phone):

PALM OIL, SOYBEAN AND/OR CANOLA OIL…HIGH FRUCTOSE CORN SYRUP…SOY LECITHIN…ARTIFICIAL FLAVOR

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Post by Aurornis »

hn_throwaway_99 wrote: post #89
nikolay wrote: post #66

I've been arguing for years with vegans who drink copious amounts for thyroid-damaging kale and kidney-stone-forming spinach juices. Many of the plants are rich in anti-nutrients and natural toxins to weed off predators. Having a normal-size salad is one thing, drinking 2 pounds of kale is something else. People should learn more abou Hormesis and why too much of the bad thing is bad and too little of it is a good th…

The thing to me that is so ironic about juicing is that most people who are super into things like juicing and "juice cleanses" (whatever the hell that means) are totally against "processed" foods. I'm like "What do you think a juicer is??" You just took that natural plant that's loaded with healthy fiber, removed all the fiber and concentrated it so it's mostly sugar and water. If you process it at home it's still p…

This is one of the many reasons why scientific literature differentiates between “processed” and “ultra processed”.

There’s something about the whole topic that draws pedantry out of people who think it’s a binary motion. It’s not. Blending some vegetables before you drink them isn’t the same as eating an ultra processed packaged food from the store.

Nobody who thinks about it beyond looking for “gotcha” opportunities would actually believe that.

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Post by chihuahua »

TazeTSchnitzel wrote: post #10

This sounds like a Chubbyemu video premise. (It's an excellent YouTube channel that posts semi-dramatised medical educational videos, usually following a fictionalised patient presenting to ER after ingestion of some substance, with an explanation of how that substance causes problems in the body and how a medical team might try to address it.) Actually, there has been more than one video about oxalate nephropathy al…

Indeed, the video title could be "A man consumed 2 gallons of kale juice. This is what happened to his thyroid."

The channel is curious in that Dr Bernard seems to hire actors to produce what looks like stock footage to illustrate the story.

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Post by 23kfuhfsdf »

at_a_remove wrote: post #76

I've seen a version of this in person. Used to go to this restaurant after my Saturday morning movie, just to have lunch. This wee gal working there on that shift, usually, noted that I would pull my ticket stub out (along with other things I was planning on pitching) and began to regularly ask me what I thought of whatever movie I had seen. One Saturday I came in and was instantly struck with a kind of floating anxi…

What were the nail orners indicative of? How were you able to identify spinach consumption from smell and nails? Was it because there were bits of spinach in her nails and it smelled like raw spinach?

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Post by maxerickson »

generalizations wrote: post #104
maxerickson wrote: post #100

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Which ingredient in Oreos make them different than a home made cake? https://www.mondelezinternationalfoodservice.com/Product/Pro... Like the flour you use to make a cake has been altered from its whole state more than a little bit. So has the sugar. And of course, both ingredients are used in Oreos, for roughly the same reasons you'd use them at home. I suppose most people don't cook with palm oil and soy lecithin.

Not going to bother with reformatting (on my phone): PALM OIL, SOYBEAN AND/OR CANOLA OIL…HIGH FRUCTOSE CORN SYRUP…SOY LECITHIN…ARTIFICIAL FLAVOR

Yeah, vegetable oil and corn syrup are common ingredients in home baking. So are artificial flavors (for example artificial vanilla).

Soy lecithin isn't, but it isn't a significant nutritional component or particularly questionable (it's a vegetable extract used as an emulsifier).

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Post by andrewl »

stevebmark wrote: post #80

This is the most important part > Predisposing factors included a remote history of gastric bypass and recent prolonged antibiotic therapy I knew as soon as I saw it, and the keyword confirms it: a fluoroquinolone, moxifloxacin was used. FQs like cipro and levaquin are well documented to cause permanent full body damage through all sorts of mechanisms. Including acute kidney injury https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/ar…

It could have been the diet, the fluoroquinolone, or both. YC News has a good bit of discussion on the damage fluoroquinolones can do, and it’s worth reading.

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Post by james4k »

diydsp wrote: post #84
james4k wrote: post #78

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Aren't saturated fats from plants like palm oil and coconut oil also associated with those negative outcomes?

It's been hard to tease out and more to come but sat fat appears to have a knee curve where small amounts don't cause harm. See Plant Chompers yt for some of the research.

Oh yea, I agree small amounts is ok, it's just the standard diet has sooo much of it.
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