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Re: SUSE to go private

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Yet another reason to move to Debian. While in many ways not comparable to what's happened with Redhat, with Suse turning to the dark side one wonders how much longer Canonical will last before doing something similar. Make no doubt about it, private equity is all about short term shareholder returns. That's not a bad things in principle but if you don't want to wake up yet again with your distro having the rug pulle…

Debian is great indeed (I am a a Debian developer myself although rather inactive) - but today’s news isn’t much of a change in whether SUSE is or isn’t on any definition of the dark side.

Why do I say that? Simply, as per the linked announcement itself, this takeover offer is by the current majority shareholder who already owns 79% of the company. They can already win any shareholder vote they want to win. They already control SUSE.

Most of what this will do is two things: one, pay the current minority shareholders of SUSE 67% more than their shares are worth on the open market, and remove the quarterly earnings pressures of the German equivalent of Wall Street from SUSE management, at least unless and until any future IPO or a sale to another public company. Not obvious that this transaction makes anything worse than it already was.

There could be a less obvious difference: SUSE currently has a German corporate structure with very strong worker rights including participating alongside management on the supervisory board. If they get rid of the German entity and keep only a Luxembourg entity, that may no longer apply, though German labour law certainly still would for employers based in Germany. I’m not an expert on any differences between German and Luxembourg worker governance participation rights, and in this paragraph I’m more raising a question than asserting anything.

Re: SUSE to go private

#42

So...uh...after all that drama from SuSE about how 'IBM' destroyed RHEL after acquiring Red Hat, they turn around and get acquired by the nearest bidder. That's hilarious. Nowadays I often compare this kind of hypocrisy to the 'Avengers: Age of Ultron' scene where Strucker shouts 'No surrender!' and riles up his henchmen, then immediately turns to his second-in-command and says, 'I am going to surrender'.

Can you revise your statement when you read the second paragraph of the press release?

Re: SUSE to go private

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I’ve never seen anything good come out of PE delisting like this. Someone please correct me if I’m wrong.

X formerly twitter was one of the biggest LBO in history which is typically the process PE companies acquire companies as well. Priority is to increase margin, because the leverage comes from loan and debt servicing & principal repayment are pretty big sums. Its done capex reduction. Easiest way to do it is to reduce labor cost. X went from >7000 to ~1500(I may be off on numbers) Another is to increase revenue, so tw…

Sir, this is a Wendy's.

Re: SUSE to go private

#44
While fears of PE is quite well founded in many cases, EQT might be one group that might actually have proper long term interests.

Ownership of EQT goes up to Investor and the Swedish Wallenberg family, they're the same people that among other things has held big stakes in Ericsson, Astra Zeneca (The British covid vaccine),etc over 90 years by now.

Re: SUSE to go private

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Yet another reason to move to Debian. While in many ways not comparable to what's happened with Redhat, with Suse turning to the dark side one wonders how much longer Canonical will last before doing something similar. Make no doubt about it, private equity is all about short term shareholder returns. That's not a bad things in principle but if you don't want to wake up yet again with your distro having the rug pulle…

If you consider Red Hat “on the dark side” but not Canonical, I’m curious how you’re defining dark side.

I presume their definition is “owned by some huge and/or evil parent corp”, together with viewing IBM and private equity firms as each having one or both of those attributes.

I’ve seen many valid criticisms of Canonical, but huge doesn’t seem applicable to them and evil seems to go beyond what’s fair for their flaws. As for their owner, again, few would place Mark Shuttleworth in the same category as either IBM or private equity firms, other than probably having had a peak (though not current) net worth of over $1 billion.

Re: SUSE to go private

#46

What are the success stories of private equity firms taking over a corporation? (Where success is the products are still made, quality and staffing is maintained at previous levels)

Safeway seems to be run pretty well, after being taken private by PE in the 80s.

Warren Buffet runs Berkshire Hathaway which is acts as a PE firm. Here's a list of everything they own and have owned for decades: https://finmasters.com/berkshire-hathaway-subsidiaries/#cons...

There are plenty of other examples.

PE is just "ownership not through the public stock markets" which is like...the default, actually.

Re: SUSE to go private

#47

So...uh...after all that drama from SuSE about how 'IBM' destroyed RHEL after acquiring Red Hat, they turn around and get acquired by the nearest bidder. That's hilarious. Nowadays I often compare this kind of hypocrisy to the 'Avengers: Age of Ultron' scene where Strucker shouts 'No surrender!' and riles up his henchmen, then immediately turns to his second-in-command and says, 'I am going to surrender'.

Can you revise your statement when you read the second paragraph of the press release?

Did SuSE bother to read the GPL license before they made their statements about RHEL?

Re: SUSE to go private

#48

Yet another reason to move to Debian. While in many ways not comparable to what's happened with Redhat, with Suse turning to the dark side one wonders how much longer Canonical will last before doing something similar. Make no doubt about it, private equity is all about short term shareholder returns. That's not a bad things in principle but if you don't want to wake up yet again with your distro having the rug pulle…

Debian is great indeed (I am a a Debian developer myself although rather inactive) - but today’s news isn’t much of a change in whether SUSE is or isn’t on any definition of the dark side. Why do I say that? Simply, as per the linked announcement itself, this takeover offer is by the current majority shareholder who already owns 79% of the company. They can already win any shareholder vote they want to win. They alre…

> If they get rid of the German entity and keep only a Luxembourg entity, that may no longer apply

If that was the case, I’d bet 10$ that the german government would intervene and block that. Germany is all for free market until its their stuff in sale.

Re: SUSE to go private

#50

Yet another reason to move to Debian. While in many ways not comparable to what's happened with Redhat, with Suse turning to the dark side one wonders how much longer Canonical will last before doing something similar. Make no doubt about it, private equity is all about short term shareholder returns. That's not a bad things in principle but if you don't want to wake up yet again with your distro having the rug pulle…

SUSE S.A. has been owned by this very same private equity company since 2018. In 2021 one fifth of the outstanding shares were offered to investors at the Frankfurt Stock exchange.Now that fifth is being acquired by the same private equity company.

If there was any turn "to the dark side", surely it must have happened 5 years ago, not today, right?

Edit: Apparently time flies faster when you're bad at math.

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