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A look into the finances of SpaceX

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Re: A look into the finances of SpaceX

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I mean twit-er-x is exciting, just in a more train wreck sort of way.

Yeah.. it's a strange guilty pleasure to see all the changes i view as stupid, to perform as badly in the real world.

There is some fantasy world going on with Elon haters, it’s comical. Twitter works fine, SpaceX works fine

Re: A look into the finances of SpaceX

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On-orbit assembly, the demonstration of which was the single actual real accomplishment of the Space Station program. And yet NASA just threw that in the garbage. If we can't do something as simple as assemble modules in space, exactly what sort of future do you imagine is waiting for us in space?

Maybe they used that experience decide that it would be cheaper to just build a huge rocket? The ISS also had the benefit of the shuttle, while US flights to LEO were in turmoil when the SLS was funded. It also wasn’t clear in hindsight how completely and utterly inept Boeing was and how effective SpaceX was going to be.

It's grossly more expensive the way they are doing it. They were originally going to use smaller commercial launchers until Senator Shelby and others held a political knife to their throats.

SLS has absolutely no redeeming features. You're sunk deep in Stockholm Syndrome if you're still defending it.

Re: A look into the finances of SpaceX

#93
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A rational return to the moon program that had to choose between Falcon and SLS would choose Falcon.

If the primary goal is sustainable payloads to the moon. I think Congress considers this a secondary goal over funding and jobs being directed at their states.

> funding and jobs being directed at their states.

This is more important than it seems on the surface and is often a good thing.

You want to train and preserve local expertise with heavy industries.

That ensures generations of successful companies rejuvenating your economy as opposed to relying on federal handouts.

Re: A look into the finances of SpaceX

#94
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Most of the changes seem to be great to me. Long form video. Longer posts. Revenue sharing. Great changes so far

I think most people focus on bringing back far-right people to the platform, making the application inaccessible to logged out users and the failed attempts at Twitter Premium or whatever it's being called.

i remember i think back when jack dorsey stepped down and parag agrawal was slated to be the next ceo all of HN was doing nothing but talking about how the only viable path for twitter was to put the entire thing behind a subscription because there was too much garbage.

now that elon is actually instating a paywall (that isn’t compulsory, and still lets you use it for free) all of HN seems to be thinking it’s the wrong decision.

i’d understand if something substantially happened in the intervening time period to give you the impression the subscription model was NOT the way to go, but nothing of the sorts has actually happened at all.

while it’s better than most sites, the groupthink on HN is insane.

also - i might be wrong if dorsey stepping down was the time when everyone was saying this, but i do remember it very clearly, and i only joined in 2020.

Re: A look into the finances of SpaceX

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Is there a way for a mortal to buy or invest into SpaceX or are we just waiting for an IPO eventually?

you could open a welding supply store in Brownsville. Any investment in Brownsville TX is an investment in SpaceX pretty much. That whole area has been transformed.

Re: A look into the finances of SpaceX

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The current P/E ratio for the S&P 500 (growing far more slowly, obviously) is ~25. By many historical metrics, the stock markets are insanely overvalued these days. Far too much cash in the system, bidding up the "values" of anything that remotely resembles an investment.

P/E is price to earnings, not revenue. SpaceX is insanely overvalued.

Some amount of the value baked-in assumes that SpaceX will earn money on any of the thousands of revenue sources possible in the creation and running of the first large-scale city on Mars.

Maybe you think it isn't going to happen - and sure there is some risk (!) - but in the successful case, SpaceX should be worth many trillions. At least.

Re: A look into the finances of SpaceX

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If the primary goal is sustainable payloads to the moon. I think Congress considers this a secondary goal over funding and jobs being directed at their states.

> funding and jobs being directed at their states. This is more important than it seems on the surface and is often a good thing. You want to train and preserve local expertise with heavy industries. That ensures generations of successful companies rejuvenating your economy as opposed to relying on federal handouts.

It completely fails as a justification for SLS, though. It's preserving nonsense that needs to die, instead of pushing the actually successful part of commercial space.

Re: A look into the finances of SpaceX

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This has elements of truth but is a conspiracy theory the way you describe it. If you listen to Musk, or listen to people who work for Musk, or the people who work for those people, they all say that the point of SpaceX is to enable human colonization of Mars. It's not just a marketing strategy to acquire talent (unless you think they're all lying -- hence the conspiracy aspect. Now, to do that, they'll need to scrat…

The only person that has to lie is Musk. That's why SpaceX is run as an autocracy. Everyone else drinks the Mars Kool aid. People who have been around a while connect the dots. To be more precise, the company is run by the DoD with significant technical and financial assistance. Elon is the main conduit between those deep resource and the rest of the company. He regularly meets with all teams to ensure they are align…

can the internet please decide whether SpaceX is an autocracy, or if (as several media outlets put it) Elons companies succeeded in spite of him as opposed to because of him.

both of these cannot be true at the same time.

Re: A look into the finances of SpaceX

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Its revenue will almost double again this year (2023) by looking at the number of launches[1]. Definitely the most exciting company Elon has (personal opinion) [1] https://www.spacexstats.xyz/#launchhistory-per-year

Gwynne Shotwell deserves all the thanks, she's brilliant
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