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Hawaii governor vows to block land grabs as fire-ravaged Maui rebuilds

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Re: Hawaii governor vows to block land grabs as fire-ravaged Maui rebuilds

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Post by slaw »

toomuchtodo wrote: post #13
Bostonian wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Being the governor of a state should not confer the right to suspend property rights, which is what this is. Owning something means being able to sell it.

It is very common in disaster scenarios to put limits on trade or commerce when an emergency is declared. Emergency powers are broad, both at the state and federal levels. You are free to your opinion of course, the people of Hawaii will decide with their vote if the governor runs again. The governor is doing what they believe to best for their constituents. No solution is perfect. Democracy!

It is not democracy when Governor decides, it would be democracy if citizens of burned city vote.

Re: Hawaii governor vows to block land grabs as fire-ravaged Maui rebuilds

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Post by gizmo686 »

vlucas wrote: post #19
ryaneager wrote: post #10

It almost as if housing is a human right and not an investment opportunity for the wealthy to exploit.

Nothing that requires the labor of others is a human right. That's not how rights work.

Universal Declaration of Human Rights, Article 25:

> Everyone has the right to a standard of living adequate for the health and well-being of himself and of his family, including food, clothing, housing and medical care and necessary social services, and the right to security in the event of unemployment, sickness, disability, widowhood, old age or other lack of livelihood in circumstances beyond his control.

https://www.un.org/en/about-us/universal-declaration-of-huma...

Re: Hawaii governor vows to block land grabs as fire-ravaged Maui rebuilds

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Post by slantedview »

vlucas wrote: post #19
ryaneager wrote: post #10

It almost as if housing is a human right and not an investment opportunity for the wealthy to exploit.

Nothing that requires the labor of others is a human right. That's not how rights work.

It's hard to say that surplus wealth generated by the labor of others should be directed towards investor/owner profits, but not towards housing for workers. The difference between these two outcomes is a policy decision.

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Post by MerelyMortal »

Bostonian wrote: post #2

"Land grabs" is a dishonest term for voluntary land sales.

I think it was unwarranted that your comment was flagged and that your civil discourse is being downvoted. Am I missing something, or was it by people who just had different opinions than you?

Re: Hawaii governor vows to block land grabs as fire-ravaged Maui rebuilds

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Post by toomuchtodo »

slaw wrote: post #21
toomuchtodo wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is very common in disaster scenarios to put limits on trade or commerce when an emergency is declared. Emergency powers are broad, both at the state and federal levels. You are free to your opinion of course, the people of Hawaii will decide with their vote if the governor runs again. The governor is doing what they believe to best for their constituents. No solution is perfect. Democracy!

It is not democracy when Governor decides, it would be democracy if citizens of burned city vote.

You are technically correct, which is the best kind of correct.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Representative_democracy

> Representative democracy, also known as indirect democracy, is a type of democracy where elected people represent a group of people, in contrast to direct democracy. Nearly all modern Western-style democracies function as some type of representative democracy.

Re: Hawaii governor vows to block land grabs as fire-ravaged Maui rebuilds

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Post by throwaway655368 »

rednerrus wrote: post #17
ryaneager wrote: post #10

It almost as if housing is a human right and not an investment opportunity for the wealthy to exploit.

How is it a human right? How does that work?

Every human has a right to enslave three other humans and force them to build a house. When a house is finished they have to be released though to prevent infringing of their own human rights.

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Post by skybrian »

vlucas wrote: post #19
ryaneager wrote: post #10

It almost as if housing is a human right and not an investment opportunity for the wealthy to exploit.

Nothing that requires the labor of others is a human right. That's not how rights work.

Legal rights can be created by passing laws. It’s possible to pass a law giving people a right to payment by the government (for example, a pension). Such payments can be used to buy goods and services that take labor as an input.

Re: Hawaii governor vows to block land grabs as fire-ravaged Maui rebuilds

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Post by MerelyMortal »

rowanseymour wrote: post #14
Bostonian wrote: post #2

"Land grabs" is a dishonest term for voluntary land sales.

"voluntary" is a dishonest term for locals forced to sell and move after a major disaster

As someone who used to live in Hawaii, I'm not going to be buying land there anytime soon, so...

"forced to sell", how exactly?

Re: Hawaii governor vows to block land grabs as fire-ravaged Maui rebuilds

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Post by voidpointercast »

gizmo686 wrote: post #22
vlucas wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nothing that requires the labor of others is a human right. That's not how rights work.

Universal Declaration of Human Rights, Article 25: > Everyone has the right to a standard of living adequate for the health and well-being of himself and of his family, including food, clothing, housing and medical care and necessary social services, and the right to security in the event of unemployment, sickness, disability, widowhood, old age or other lack of livelihood in circumstances beyond his control. https:/…

So enforce it.
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