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This American Life Retracting "Mr. Daisey & The Apple Factory"

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Re: This American Life Retracting "Mr. Daisey & The Apple Factory"

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Respect for Ira Glass to so totally and transparently own the problem.

He's not blaming anyone but himself, and by devoting his next show to this topic, is demonstrating more integrity than what we have come to expect. The public deserves no less, but in our era that is still rare.

Re: This American Life Retracting "Mr. Daisey & The Apple Factory"

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I hope you enjoyed your 5-min of fame Mike Daisey because your reputation is now completely and irrevocably ruined.

Not in America. There's no such thing as bad publicity. Sure he won't get hired by 'This American Life' or anyone that cares for facts but there's always reality tv.

Not sure about that. See Jason Russell, who has just had a spectacularly bad day. http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/03/16/10721745-report...

Re: This American Life Retracting "Mr. Daisey & The Apple Factory"

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With very few exceptions, everything from This American Life is worth listening to. I would still listen to this, as not everything he said was fabricated, but I wouldn't file away anything I heard as objective fact.

It’s a well told story, it’s good radio. You can definitely see the appeal of it as a monologue. But it was presented as fact and is not, not completely. I would recommend listening to both the original show and the redaction back to back, they are both very powerful and well made.

Agreed. I am very eager to hear the retraction show.

Re: This American Life Retracting "Mr. Daisey & The Apple Factory"

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It’s a well told story, it’s good radio. You can definitely see the appeal of it as a monologue. But it was presented as fact and is not, not completely. I would recommend listening to both the original show and the redaction back to back, they are both very powerful and well made.

Agreed. I am very eager to hear the retraction show.

If you didn't know, it’s already online (earlier than usual). Here’s the link: http://www.thisamericanlife.org/radio-archives/episode/460/r...

Re: This American Life Retracting "Mr. Daisey & The Apple Factory"

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NPR isn't supposed to be leftist, it's supposed to be journalism. That's what separates them from other outlets, they're either focused on advocacy (fox, currentTV) or entertainment (CNN, MSNBC).

It is not _supposed_ to be leftist, but that's sure the way they lean. I hear this asked, once in a while, on WPR, when the station manager is on a call-in show in the morning: why do you guys program to the left. And the answer is (I'm paraphrasing) That's who our audience is, so that's what we program for. Heck, last week he as much admitted as such when he noted that they focused more on politics since the electio…

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Re: This American Life Retracting "Mr. Daisey & The Apple Factory"

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And how would you compare the work in the factories to being a Chinese farm worker, for example? Why are millions choosing factories over farms? I think it is more important that there is a trend towards improved work environments and opportunities than bemoaning the fact that any particular work environment isn't as good as some cushy 1st-world white-collar job.

Except when cushy 1st world jobs move to high-repression countries with few worker rights, it's trending the other way.

Yep, because the job selection used to be so great in high-repression countries with few worker rights.

Re: This American Life Retracting "Mr. Daisey & The Apple Factory"

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What "truth" in his story? How do you know? The most dangerous thing you can do with a story like this is try to pick apart the things that seem true; your brain is wired to make the wrong things seem authentic.

I know because I've seen it. My wife and I used to live in China, and we did traveling in both the high and the low places. I can't speak to the particulars in Daisey's story (since I don't know which ones were made up), but the overall picture he painted sounded familiar. It's unquestionable that there are horrible working conditions in Chinese factories. That's the tragedy here. There's millions of awful wonderful…

My wife and I used to live in China, and we did traveling in both the high and the low places.

What was your impression of working conditions on the rural farms that are one of the most often-cited alternatives for many of the Foxconn workers?

Re: This American Life Retracting "Mr. Daisey & The Apple Factory"

#198

It's nice to know that real journalism is not dead. I love NPR.

I wouldn't be complimenting NPR too much. They totally blew an issue in SD that could have been fact checked by looking at the PUBLIC budget numbers.

Also, as many have pointed out TAL is not a NPR show.

Re: This American Life Retracting "Mr. Daisey & The Apple Factory"

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Agreed. I am very eager to hear the retraction show.

If you didn't know, it’s already online (earlier than usual). Here’s the link: http://www.thisamericanlife.org/radio-archives/episode/460/r...

I didn't know. Thanks for the heads up, I'm downloading it now.

Re: This American Life Retracting "Mr. Daisey & The Apple Factory"

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My biggest problem with Daisey? The fact that the only thing he gains from his fabrications is self-aggrandizement.

So many of the things he claims to have seen aren't in essence untrue: hexane poisoning did happen, he just didn't meet (and tell a true story) about how. Underage workers do exist, but I think it is less than clear whether Daisy met any of them. Terrible abuses resulting in lasting, terrible physical damage (or death) clearly are occurring, but Daisey isn't the one uncovering them, he isn't the heroic reporter interviewing the victims to reveal their plight.

When Daisey defends his work, he's really defending himself as the champion of the oppressed. This, I think, is really about his ego, not about the plight of any abused Chinese worker.

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