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Re: Naomi Wu and the Silence That Speaks Volumes

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Post by bitcurious »

TazeTSchnitzel wrote: post #21

It's depressing how many Americans and Europeans seem utterly allergic to any kind of nuanced discussion or deeper understanding of China. I think the same applies to the former USSR. I'm not sure why this is.

The folks who would provide insight to China would be the citizens of China. If you buy the premise that China is a totalitarian state, a consequence is that you can’t have a public, nuanced discussion with its citizens, because they may be victimized by the state. So your only source of insight would be history and private conversation.

The USSR is obviously a different situation.

Re: Naomi Wu and the Silence That Speaks Volumes

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Post by xbar »

NelsonMinar wrote: post #98

See also Peng Shuai 彭帅, a Chinese pro tennis player who disappeared last year after accusing a fairly high ranking politician of sexual assault. Plenty of differences from Naomi Wu's case, to be sure. But some similarities. Particularly in response. For awhile various world sports organizations and players were trying to highlight her predicament but that's mostly dissipated without having much impact. https://en.wik…

I do hope Ms. Wu retains a modicum more freedom.

Re: Naomi Wu and the Silence That Speaks Volumes

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Post by gammarator »

em-bee wrote: post #39
anon7331 wrote: post #34

She speaks the truth often, but I never really got how she portrays herself. Not a huge fan... regardless, she should be able to say whatever she wants and use the platform she built.

a year ago she posted a video about her origin story that may give some insights: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z9vW_MpXTfs

It’s a long video but very interesting. Dolly Parton makes an appearance!

Re: Naomi Wu and the Silence That Speaks Volumes

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Post by jrflowers »

mcpackieh wrote: post #130
jrflowers wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This makes sense. “South Korean journalist” is a very clear way of saying “western journalist” also I’m sure “anti white racist” isn’t any sort of culture war word salad.

A South Korean working for an American media organization, specifically called out as western, is a western journalist as I see it. The term "Western" is imprecise and should usually be avoided for this reason, but South Korea itself is often ranked among the Western nations in the economic and geopolitical alignment senses of the term. And it's fair to say that any journalist working for an American media organizati…

> A South Korean working for an American media organization

This makes sense. Being born in a place irrevocably bestows a person with a nationality that supersedes citizenship, where they were raised and educated, or where they’ve lived nearly all of their lives. In this essay I will explain the good faith purpose of bringing up someone’s birthplace in this context, and I will begin with this thought: If California is west, isn’t Korea even more west? Furthermore I

Re: Naomi Wu and the Silence That Speaks Volumes

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Post by monksy »

I always take this individual with a grain of salt. I originally supported her as that she was an enthusiast and talking about making things. However, she has a strong tendency to dramatize things and it's very easy to get caught up in her net.

Context: She started raking a maker site (I think it was instructables) about quietly dropping Chinese character support. She went a huge tirade that it was racism and it was intentional. I suggested that hey it's probably a dumb product owner/business decisions. Then she starts arguing with me that "she knows tech." She then quote tweets me so she can target her audience against me also manages to call me a mansplaining tech bro. (And blocks me)

Nearly everything she produced tried to focus it on getting attention, from 360 youtube videos to emphasis her sexual features, to selling 3d nude scans, overly dramatic videos to increase viewership. On top of that she's snaps any any journalist who doesn't cover her exactly how she wants: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naomi_Wu#Vice_article

Re: Naomi Wu and the Silence That Speaks Volumes

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Post by jakelazaroff »

xbar wrote: post #125
jakelazaroff wrote: post #116

Earlier quoted context omitted.

On the other hand, consider that if you’re in the US your own information most likely comes from sources that are antagonistic to China? Why are you so sure that other people are just mindlessly consuming while you’re getting the real truth ?

This is healthy thinking. China might not be a place where there is any censorship, nor goons rounding up Uyghers, nor restrictions on travel, nor foreign-country-located police stations hounding ex-pats to return home under threat to their families. It could all be made up and China could be a free-thinking, free-speech paradise where an insufficient number of western visitors have realized that everyone is free to…

Right, because those are the only two options.

Re: Naomi Wu and the Silence That Speaks Volumes

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Post by cwkoss »

monksy wrote: post #136

I always take this individual with a grain of salt. I originally supported her as that she was an enthusiast and talking about making things. However, she has a strong tendency to dramatize things and it's very easy to get caught up in her net. Context: She started raking a maker site (I think it was instructables) about quietly dropping Chinese character support. She went a huge tirade that it was racism and it was…

Here's the thread: https://twitter.com/RealSexyCyborg/status/132928236969037005...

She called it Sinophobic, not racist, which seems fair. In the most charitable light, instructables was apathetic about their Chinese users. I can't imagine how bad their engineering org would have to be for this to be an unintentional change.

I'm guessing you're one of deleted replies so we'll never know for sure, but from the tone of this comment I doubt your reply was respectful.

(I'm assuming this is her quote tweet of you https://twitter.com/RealSexyCyborg/status/132936126856250982... - note that mansplaining is your word, not hers. Interesting word to try to put into her mouth.)

Re: Naomi Wu and the Silence That Speaks Volumes

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Post by mrexroad »

gammarator wrote: post #134
em-bee wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

a year ago she posted a video about her origin story that may give some insights: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z9vW_MpXTfs

It’s a long video but very interesting. Dolly Parton makes an appearance!

Yeah, lengthy, but I found it to be a very heartfelt video and I appreciated how open she was in explaining something so personal.

Re: Naomi Wu and the Silence That Speaks Volumes

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Post by cwkoss »

jacquesm wrote: post #72
ajross wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, this is just censorship. The government showed up and told her to stop saying stuff, so she did. The problem is that the word has been diluted in contemporary usage. Almost everything that people call "censorship" in the discourse mostly amounts to "People disagree with me and I don't liek that", or occasionally "I got banned on so I'm yelling about it on ". This is what actual censorship looks like.

"I got my wings clipped and they weren't gentle about it" "I can leave but Kaidi can't" "In fact, one of the latest turns is the Beijing LGBT Center's closure by the Chinese government in May of this year. " And many other useful bits of information in the article. Censorship is when you send a message from jail and someone elides stuff they don't want you to talk about. It doesn't involve goons visiting you, travel…

You are wrong. Having a gun pointed at you isn't nonviolent just because the trigger wasn't pulled.

Threatening someone to make them censor themselves is a means of censorship.

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