The Cuts at WVU

Post by driggs » Tue, Aug 15, 2023, 3:19 PM UTC

onlyrealcuzzo wrote: post #97

driggs wrote: post #94

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Then go ahead and explain why West Virginia is consistently and historically among the poorest, least educated, unhealthiest, and unhappiest states in the US. It is a fact that West Virginians vote to perpetuate these circumstances. Our governor is the richest coal baron in the state, and we're going to overwhelmingly vote out centrist Joe Manchin to put that coal baron into the US Senate. I've lived here for four de…

> Then go ahead and explain why West Virginia is consistently and historically among the poorest, least educated, unhealthiest, and unhappiest states in the US. Can you really not imagine that some people don't care about money or education and instead care about other things that are seemingly unimportant to you?

Post by LeanderK » Tue, Aug 15, 2023, 3:49 PM UTC

pge wrote: post #58

LeanderK wrote: post #42

Can you fire tenured faculty? I thought that was not possible (and what tenure was about)?

Tenure prevents you from being fired individually but does not protect you if your whole department is axed. That may be why the cuts are structured the way they are (entire departments) rather than culling specific faculty in departments that are over staffed relative to enrollment.

Post by onlyrealcuzzo » Tue, Aug 15, 2023, 4:41 PM UTC

driggs wrote: post #101

onlyrealcuzzo wrote: post #97

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> Then go ahead and explain why West Virginia is consistently and historically among the poorest, least educated, unhealthiest, and unhappiest states in the US. Can you really not imagine that some people don't care about money or education and instead care about other things that are seemingly unimportant to you?

There is a significant difference between "interests" and "best interests". Unhealthiest. Unhappiest. These are literally studies where WV comes in at the bottom of the list. You just seem to be arguing for the sake of arguing. https://www.beckershospitalreview.com/rankings-and-ratings/1... https://worldpopulationreview.com/state-rankings/most-unheal...

Post by OkayPhysicist » Tue, Aug 15, 2023, 5:50 PM UTC

nemo44x wrote: post #82

kstrauser wrote: post #74

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You have a poor grasp on what a botanist is, why we need them, and how a kid might end up on that track. Your claim is directly analogous to “study physics on your own once you have a real job”. The notion that only the wealthy should be able to pursue critical fields is dystopian as hell. I’m not a botanist. I don’t even know that I know any. I bought a cartful of their research at the supermarket today, though.

Unless you’re exceptional. You keep leaving that part out. There’s a parallel gradient of ability and practicality. Has to do more with ability than wealth - although wealth lets you do w/e because you’re rich. There’s reality and there’s how it “ought to be”. You’re stuck on that. Dystopian is millions of people with massive debt and unable to act on what they paid for it.

Post by nemo44x » Wed, Aug 16, 2023, 11:35 PM UTC

OkayPhysicist wrote: post #107

nemo44x wrote: post #82

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Unless you’re exceptional. You keep leaving that part out. There’s a parallel gradient of ability and practicality. Has to do more with ability than wealth - although wealth lets you do w/e because you’re rich. There’s reality and there’s how it “ought to be”. You’re stuck on that. Dystopian is millions of people with massive debt and unable to act on what they paid for it.

You're the one pitching an "ought to be". Your pitch is "Poor people ought not to aspire to roles above their station". That sounds pretty dystopian to me.