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Naomi Wu and the Silence That Speaks Volumes

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Re: Naomi Wu and the Silence That Speaks Volumes

#41

What is going on with the DNS name resolution here? Can somebody please share the resolved IP address?

It seems to resolve against 1.1.1.1 but not 8.8.8.8.

    $ dig www.hackingbutlegal.com @1.1.1.1

    ...
    www.hackingbutlegal.com. 1730 IN CNAME target.substack-custom-domains.com.
    ...

Re: Naomi Wu and the Silence That Speaks Volumes

#42
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Earlier quoted context omitted.

No. At this point Twitter (I refuse to call it "X" and I will die on this hill) is little more than Elon's personal agitprop and trolling platform, and he would absolutely be petty enough to pull something like that.

ExTwitter

i keep getting that urge to click the X to close the window.

Re: Naomi Wu and the Silence That Speaks Volumes

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> The omission of her predicament by the media isn't just an oversight—it's a signal suggesting that a significant portion of western media may be increasingly compromised by Beijing's influence, finding themselves unable to criticize foreign policy, lest they rile the tiger and negatively impact their business. Compromised because they didn't provide coverage of a Youtuber in China getting silenced? You make sound a…

Well, we got no coverage on Wu getting deplatformed, and a bit of coverage on Uyghur matters. Instead, we should have gotten a bit of coverage on the former, and a lot of coverage on the latter.

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Re: Naomi Wu and the Silence That Speaks Volumes

#44

It's depressing how many Americans and Europeans seem utterly allergic to any kind of nuanced discussion or deeper understanding of China. I think the same applies to the former USSR. I'm not sure why this is.

Because if you don't say what you are expected to say you are branded a shill, you are told you are repeating propaganda points, etc. All in all a toxic way of ending the discourse. That causes some people not to try.

Re: Naomi Wu and the Silence That Speaks Volumes

#45

It's depressing how many Americans and Europeans seem utterly allergic to any kind of nuanced discussion or deeper understanding of China. I think the same applies to the former USSR. I'm not sure why this is.

Why do you think it's easy for most to have nuanced, dispassionate discussions about the ancient Assyrians but not the Nazis? Spacial/temporal/ideological proximity. We're not likely to become anything like the former, but we fear ourselves (or at least our leadership) becoming more like the latter. Obviously it would be ideal to learn from the good aspects of even the most evil totalitarian regimes, but in practice…

please dont draw an equivalence between the ussr and nazi germany. it is incredibly problematic.

Re: Naomi Wu and the Silence That Speaks Volumes

#46

She speaks the truth often, but I never really got how she portrays herself. Not a huge fan... regardless, she should be able to say whatever she wants and use the platform she built.

Last year on HN, I wondered publicly if it was body dysmorphia and she replied "Yes, it is something like that."

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30100041

Re: Naomi Wu and the Silence That Speaks Volumes

#47

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No, censorship can totally be the answer to getting people to stop saying things you don’t want them to say if you don’t have any commitment to free speech. See how Tucker Max or Milo Yiannopolous are no longer culturally relevant. Censorship works.

I don't know about Milo, but after looking at Wikipedia, it looks like Tucker grew up and so did his former audience.

Jury’s still out for a while, but Carlson’s being kicked out of Fox recently has been a big hit so far.

Latest book sold 3k copies: https://www.theguardian.com/books/2023/aug/15/tucker-carlson...

Re: Naomi Wu and the Silence That Speaks Volumes

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No, censorship can totally be the answer to getting people to stop saying things you don’t want them to say if you don’t have any commitment to free speech. See how Tucker Max or Milo Yiannopolous are no longer culturally relevant. Censorship works.

If I can find it again there's a really great video explaining how, to have free speech, you must restrict some speech. Because bad actors use speech and claims om they are "defending free speech!" in bad faith as a weapon to further their ends, and once they're in a position of power will shameless drop the pretenses and restrict any speech that doesn't entrench their position.

Known as the paradox of tolerance.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradox_of_tolerance

Re: Naomi Wu and the Silence That Speaks Volumes

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Well, we got no coverage on Wu getting deplatformed, and a bit of coverage on Uyghur matters. Instead, we should have gotten a bit of coverage on the former, and a lot of coverage on the latter.

Isn't it fairly common to be not especially interested in what those other people over there are doing amongst themselves - even if it's genocide or censuring dissidents or whatever - and to care a lot more about important local news like which faction gets to impose their values on the public school curriculum and what color suit the president wore left week?

Perhaps. When I submitted a blurb about Naomi getting arrested it got flagged right quick despite the ample evidence that she was not trying to keep quiet about it in earnest. Make of that what you will.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20462845

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