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LK-99 isn’t a superconductor

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Re: LK-99 isn’t a superconductor

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In their preprint, the Korean authors note one particular temperature at which LK-99’s showed a tenfold drop in resistivity, from about 0.02 ohms per centimetre to 0.002 ohms per cm. “They were very precise about it. 104.8ºC,” says Prashant Jain, a chemist at the University of Illinois Urbana–Champaign. “I was like, wait a minute, I know this temperature.” The reaction that synthesizes LK-99 uses an unbalanced recipe…

> Jain, a copper-sulfide expert I would have never known that people are actual experts in one material. This is impressive.

Oh for sure. Expertise is exceptionally narrow. It's not a super low variance value, as there is spillover (physics/concepts/math/whatever share many similar principles), but most people __vastly__ underestimate the depth and complexity of any given topic, no matter how mundane and simple it may seem. I mean a good example is that you'll find books on o-rings, nails, screws, bolts, etc that are individually over a thousand pages. Hell, The Art of Electronics -- a book this community is probably more familiar with -- is a fucking godsend, but even being over 1k pages and generally a reference manual it is still lacking. Even if you get the second book (X Chapters) with an additional 500 pages!

This is also why experts can often sniff one another out on online forums like this. There's a subtly to the language that is used which conveys an understanding of many deeper nuances than were a novice or even someone with a undergraduate would use to discuss a topic. There's a common misnomer that you don't understand something unless you can explain it to a layman (probably invented by a layman to justify their lack of understanding), but accuracy and complexity are tightly coupled. A concept with x% accuracy has a minimum of y complexity. But also knowing this can help you sniff out experts in fields you aren't also an expert in, but of course your classification accuracy drops since you are introducing more noise. Still, a useful guide if you're trying to figure out who to listen to. Obviously much easier said than done.

Re: LK-99 isn’t a superconductor

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post #5

Well I'm kinda glad I missed this whole news cycle IMO this phenomenon seems to be kind of an artifact of modern media -- I feel like in the old days, peers would have settled it among themselves, and we would have never heard about it The same thing happens in tech -- there is a lot of stuff that people talk about, that ends up being worth ignoring ... I always bring up that whole news cycle in 2017 about a potentia…

> I always bring up that whole news cycle in 2017 about a potential war with North Korea. How many people spent time and energy on that, and how do they feel about that now? Media is adversarial

And then there are tons of counter examples: "no way Russia will invade Ukraine", "Hitler will stop at Poland", etc. then the opposite happens. How do those people feel? Did they dismiss the stories warning of imminent conflict as adversarial media hysteria?

Expecting people to correctly follow a news story or not based on an unknown future outcome is impossible.

If you can consistently bat above .500 in predicting the news, there's a lot of money to be made in prediction markets.

Re: LK-99 isn’t a superconductor

#123
post #66

I would like to remind/point out how many people on here were bashing on American scientists for failing to replicate this in the first few days when labs around the world were confirming replication- saying they had lost their touch, and are no longer relevant.

Yeah that was one of the worst hottakes.

Then getting called racist over having the opinion that the original authors sounded like amateurs.

Then seeing that briefly turn on a dime and the Beijing University preprint being instantly discredited in favor of "wait for western institutions to weigh in".

Re: LK-99 isn’t a superconductor

#125

It’s disappointing news but the excitement and amount of replication on this paper was pretty fun to witness and experience. To me the most interesting part was everyone talking about potential consequences, uses, the order of magnitude improvements we’d see in certain costs or areas. Pumps, MRIs, power grids, chips, etc. Great reminder what materials science can do to some underlying economics.

+1. I’m wondering how many people will become physicist due to this wave of exciting news :) we’re not getting superconductors today, but we might get less “oh my god the earth is doomed humans are horrible” and more “I’m optimistic about the future of the human race”

Re: LK-99 isn’t a superconductor

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post #41

Honestly, I feel bad for the original authors, who were correctly holding out for stronger evidence but were forced into publishing early by the actions of a third party going behind their backs. I hope they don't experience undue blowback because of this.

I think the story might be more complicated than that, I remember reading that the "third party" was the one paying the bills for the experiment so pushing it out early and even publicly failing would've been preferable to getting it dragged out infinitely for an unlikely hope of it being successful.

Re: LK-99 isn’t a superconductor

#127
post #22

I don't understand how did LK-99 create such wuss in the first place.

Because a room-temp, amb-press superconductor, that can be made from readly available cheap materials, would be almost on par with the discovery of fire in terms of importance for our species technological capabilities. Even the simplest example of what that would mean is already amazing to our society: Imagine a power-grid that no longer loses power to electrical resistence in the wires.

> Imagine a power-grid that no longer loses power to electrical resistence in the wires.

From what I can see the power loss is in the 8-15% range. It'd be awesome to save that, but it's not game changing, and you have to take into account the cost of replacing the wires.

Re: LK-99 isn’t a superconductor

#128
post #14

In their preprint, the Korean authors note one particular temperature at which LK-99’s showed a tenfold drop in resistivity, from about 0.02 ohms per centimetre to 0.002 ohms per cm. “They were very precise about it. 104.8ºC,” says Prashant Jain, a chemist at the University of Illinois Urbana–Champaign. “I was like, wait a minute, I know this temperature.” The reaction that synthesizes LK-99 uses an unbalanced recipe…

> Jain, a copper-sulfide expert I would have never known that people are actual experts in one material. This is impressive.

My partner's grandmother spent her entire career researching a single bacteria species and its reaction to a single environmental toxin.
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