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LK-99 isn’t a superconductor

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Re: LK-99 isn’t a superconductor

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Just a reminder that’s not everything one can find in a paper (never mind a preprint) is true. The response from the community was great. Modellers doing some electronic structure calculations, synthesis experts trying to re-create the material, people doing all sorts of characterisation. The closest parallel I can think of is the faster-than-light neutrinos from a couple of years ago. Except that this time there were many teams and individuals all over the world trying to replicate the results. The material was supposedly easy to make, the reagents were quite easy to find, room-temperature conductivity measurements are not too difficult. There was a lot of enthusiasm and activity, which was really motivating.

The fact that it could not be replicated is not surprising, considering the sloppiness of the original preprint. But still, it was a very public example of science in action.

What was also interesting is the response from some corners of the Internet who were more than happy to bash scientists who were supposedly trying to cover up their own incompetence by debunking the plucky researchers from a brave private institution. Well, most often if something sounds too good to be true, that’s because it is.

Re: LK-99 isn’t a superconductor

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I found Thunderf00t's video on LK-99 to be funny because he pointed out something no one else did: In almost all applications of superconductors, they don't use high-temperature ones for one simple reason: Material properties. Most high-temp superconductors (including LK-99, he was assuming it was one, since he's not qualified to say one way or the other) are a ceramic. The ones that see use in the LHC, for instance, aren't. They're metallic, so you can form them into the shape you need without having to manufacture it in that shape to begin with, since you'd need another superconductor to join pieces like glue, which we don't have. That alone doomed LK-99 to the department of "cool, but not super useful", since most of the really interesting uses were for large things, not small ones.

Re: LK-99 isn’t a superconductor

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Well I'm kinda glad I missed this whole news cycle IMO this phenomenon seems to be kind of an artifact of modern media -- I feel like in the old days, peers would have settled it among themselves, and we would have never heard about it The same thing happens in tech -- there is a lot of stuff that people talk about, that ends up being worth ignoring ... I always bring up that whole news cycle in 2017 about a potentia…

> MO this phenomenon seems to be kind of an artifact of modern media -- I feel like in the old days, peers would have settled it among themselves, and we would have never heard about it

That’s what happened here—peers settled it among themselves.

> there is a lot of stuff that people talk about, that ends up being worth ignoring

Of course. The thing is, you never know whether it’s worth ignoring or not unless some people pay attention to it.

> How many people spent time and energy on that, and how do they feel about that now?

Pretty good that we didn’t go to war with North Korea?

> Media is adversarial

In some cases it’s adversarial, and in some cases it’s complicit. In that case specifically, sabre rattling was part of Trump’s negotiation tactics, and media playing up the possibility of war was his intention.

Re: LK-99 isn’t a superconductor

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post #5

Well I'm kinda glad I missed this whole news cycle IMO this phenomenon seems to be kind of an artifact of modern media -- I feel like in the old days, peers would have settled it among themselves, and we would have never heard about it The same thing happens in tech -- there is a lot of stuff that people talk about, that ends up being worth ignoring ... I always bring up that whole news cycle in 2017 about a potentia…

You're arguing for less transparency here? I think one of the side benefits to witnessing the LK-99 discussion is people from all walks (sure, Twitter/X isn't the end all/be-all of global communication) discussing/following/listening to actual science happen. Do you know how much of that is worth to the world with knock-on effects? Maybe there were future material scientists sitting in the room with their parents lis…

You cannot please these people, simply put. These folks STILL want the ESSENCE of a shared respect and excitement from the common man for scientific progression - and these folks are the same people, mind you, that speak loudly on the ignorance of the cluster groups within the "anti-science" big tent. But when these same folks see a glimpse of collective curiosity for science and methodologies among a lot of people, they long for the days of opacity and "mature handling of scientific consensus". Which, ironically, was the path in which almost ALL scientific progressions that spawned anti-science sentiments had taken.

You can't win.

Re: LK-99 isn’t a superconductor

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Watching this unfold on HN has been eerily similar to watching r/UFOs whenever someone comes forward with "proof" of UFOs/coverups/whatever. I never want to rain on anyone's parade, as proof of ETs or room temperature superconductors would be great, but the hype only serves to obfuscate the truth. At this point, I'm prepped to disbelieve because of the obvious over-hyping. People want these things to be true so bad t…

"but the hype only serves to obfuscate the truth"

Is that true? Do you think the Koreans or anyone would have made more progress finding the truth without the hype?

Re: LK-99 isn’t a superconductor

#29
> By contrast, superconductors that levitate over magnets can be spun and even held upside-down. “None of those behaviors look like what we see in the LK-99 videos,” van Gennep says.

Aren't they confusing Type-I and Type-II superconductors?

Re: LK-99 isn’t a superconductor

#30

Watching this unfold on HN has been eerily similar to watching r/UFOs whenever someone comes forward with "proof" of UFOs/coverups/whatever. I never want to rain on anyone's parade, as proof of ETs or room temperature superconductors would be great, but the hype only serves to obfuscate the truth. At this point, I'm prepped to disbelieve because of the obvious over-hyping. People want these things to be true so bad t…

At least superconductors are a real thing.
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