Police should also held to the same standards and be prosecuted for breaking the same laws in the same ways
And of course politics as well ...
AI cameras catch 297 drivers in three days in Cornwall
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#12Justice without mercy is cruelty. There's nothing good that can come from this kind of system.
From the article:
> The force, which is trialling the system, said if an offence has been correctly identified, the driver would either be sent a warning letter or a notice of intended prosecution, depending on the severity of the offence.
This is after human review.
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#13I am not looking forward to a future filled with this type of surveillance.
I'm not too worried about this kind of surveillance.
What we're seeing here is surveillance of a public area, used for a clear goal, which is proportional (because texting while driving is insane) and is reviewed by humans, and has clear avenues for escalation when it makes a mistake.
The scary parts are the parts that such a system is capable of, but which are not made public. For one the article doesn't mention whether the data is used for anything else or if it is ever deleted. It's also not clear if there are plans to use it for less serious offences, or if the human review is going to be removed at some point.
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#14One definition of a dystopian society is a society where you cannot make mistakes. The good news is that every time one of these automated systems is implemented, too many politicians get caught and the laws get changed.
Yknow… I’ve never been thankful for my congressperson’s DUIs before.
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#15>Although the cameras use AI to detect potential offences, all images are reviewed by a person, said Devon and Cornwall Police. if this is true I really don't see a problem necessarily. AI is just being used as a tool not a decision maker, so long as humans are good about filtering out false positives. which for something as dangerous as driving I'm all for
If it's just used for prosecuting things like the photo in the article and there's human review, I don't think I have a problem. This is a long way from instant Demolition Man-style tickets.
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#16I'm surprised by the early reactions here. Looking at the picture in the article, of a driver texting while the passenger holds the wheel (!!!), my first reaction is "OH YES PLEASE GET THESE INCREDIBLY IRRESPONSIBLE PEOPLE OFF THE STREETS ASAP".
I don't want to die because some idiot is texting while driving. Whether these idiots are caught by a human looking attentively 24/7 or by a high-speed camera with an AI flagging possible violations and being reviewed by a human makes zero difference to me.
What exactly is wrong or dystopian here? AI bad? Cameras bad?
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#17“Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience.” ― C. S.…
I wouldn't call "requiring drivers to not be using mobile phones" a "tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims". It's for the good of everyone else on the road, and, in the case of seatbelts, for the good of the rest of society that needs to deal with the burden of caring for unnecessary injuries due to failing to take such a basic precaution.
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#18Hopefully this catches up. It's scary how normalized traffic violence and risking other's life is in our society. If there is one place where AI based automatic enforcement could instantly make life better it's traffic laws enforcement. I am looking for the day I can drive at a speed limit and not be a target of aggressive maniacs tailgating and dangerously overataking me or one I can go for a bike ride and not be game for speeding reckless drivers.
All this talk about scary surveillance and what not coming from people who offer no solutions for a huge problem at hand. Let's use the technology so the laws put there to protect lives are actually respected.
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#19It is your civic duty to destroy each and every one of these if you find them out and about. They can't fix them all and will eventually give up. The west cannot become China. There is nowhere else to go.
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#20“Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience.” ― C. S.…
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