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I am fully aware of the issue. That's one of the costs with having a public website.
I agree with you both. The only thing I'd add is that it's a tradeoff - if we do it this way, it's only because the alternative would be even more user-hostile.
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You forgot to mention that you are also shadowbanning the ability of users to upvote or downvote things when you dislike their upvotes or downvotes—instances that you perceive as not contributing to the discussion or that are escalating the conversation.
I didn't forget to mention that - it's simply not what the word shadowban means, as I've always understood and used it. This is a big problem with trying to explain these things - people mean very different things by the same words, and it leads to misunderstanding.
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Censorship is not limited to who does it.
So please explain the difference between censorship and moderation.
Moderation is the removal of content that objectively doesn’t belong in context, eg spam
Obviously that moderation definition is nuanced bc some could argue that Marxist ideas don’t belong in the context of a site with a foundation in startups. And indeed Marxist ideas often get flagged here
You have to open in the app.
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I agree with you both. The only thing I'd add is that it's a tradeoff - if we do it this way, it's only because the alternative would be even more user-hostile.
Does HN ever show a user that their comment was submitted, but the comment is not visible for anyone else? Or it’s not visible for most people? Without having the flagged tag
I suppose a sufficiently motivated spammer might incorporate that as a submission workflow check.
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I don't see it: % curl -gsSIw'foo %{time_total}\n' -- https://t.co/4fs609qwWt https://t.co/iigzas6QBx | grep '^\(HTTP/\)\|\(location: \)\|\(foo \)' HTTP/2 301 location: https://nyti.ms/453cLzc foo 0.119295 HTTP/2 301 location: https://www.gov.uk/government/news/uk-acknowledges-acts-of-genocide- committed-by-daesh-against-yazidis foo 0.037376
I think Twitter, err, X, just turned off the delay now that it's getting big media attention. I could reproduce it over and over again a little earlier, but now I can't anymore: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37138161 [Edit:] I'm still seeing it with threads.net: curl -v -A 'Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10_15_7) AppleWebKit/605.1.15 (KHTML, like Gecko) Version/16.6 Safari/605.1.15' https://t.co/DzIiCF…
% curl -gsSIw'foo %{time_total}\n' https://t.co/DzIiCFp7Ti | grep '^\(HTTP/\)\|\(location: \)\|\(foo \)'
HTTP/2 301
location: https://www.threads.net/@chaco_mmm_room
foo 0.123137
% curl -gsSw'%{time_total}\n' https://t.co/DzIiCFp7Ti
0.121503
% curl -gsSw'%{time_total}\n' --http1.1 https://t.co/DzIiCFp7Ti
0.120044
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I think Twitter, err, X, just turned off the delay now that it's getting big media attention. I could reproduce it over and over again a little earlier, but now I can't anymore: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37138161 [Edit:] I'm still seeing it with threads.net: curl -v -A 'Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10_15_7) AppleWebKit/605.1.15 (KHTML, like Gecko) Version/16.6 Safari/605.1.15' https://t.co/DzIiCF…
I don't see it with your URL either: % curl -gsSIw'foo %{time_total}\n' https://t.co/DzIiCFp7Ti | grep '^\(HTTP/\)\|\(location: \)\|\(foo \)' HTTP/2 301 location: https://www.threads.net/@chaco_mmm_room foo 0.123137 Doesn't matter if I do a HTTP/2 HEAD or GET: % curl -gsSw'%{time_total}\n' https://t.co/DzIiCFp7Ti 0.121503 HTTP/1.1 also shows no delay: % curl -gsSw'%{time_total}\n' --http1.1 https://t.co/DzIiCFp7Ti 0.…
That's because you're not spoofing the User-Agent to be a browser rather than curl.
This is what I have come to expect from every person that calls themselves a "free speech absolutist." What they actually believe is that they should be able to say whatever they want and do whatever they want, personally, without any consequences for themselves. There is no grander principle than "my ability to do what I want and exert power over others however I want, without critique or criticism." I really wish t…
Disclaimer: I am not comparing Twitter to warlords, dictators or genocide. But this quote (from Lord of War ) really encapsulates a lot of what you say: > Yuri Orlov: [Narrating] Every faction in Africa calls themselves by these noble names - Liberation this, Patriotic that, Democratic Republic of something-or-other... I guess they can't own up to what they usually are: the Federation of Worse Oppressors Than the Las…
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There's no automatic unban. That would require writing code that knows how to tell a good (for HN) site apart from a bad one, and if we could write such code, we wouldn't need to keep a list of banned sites in the first place. However, we're always happy to unban a site when we notice that it's actually fine for HN, or when someone points this out to us. Re shadowbanning (i.e. banning a user without telling them), se…
Thanks for the thoughtful reply. Is it also true that users with certain karma count or special permissions have more significant - and potentially lasting - downvoting weight that impacts to the downvoted party's long term reputation?
So far as I'm aware, no, and there are comments from dang and pg going back through the site history which argue strongly against distinguishing groups of profiles in any way.
The one possible exception is that YC founder's handles appear orange to one another at one point in time (pg discusses this in January 2013: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5025168>). The feature was disabled for performance reasons.
Dang mentions the feature still being active as of a year ago: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31727636>
I seem to recall a pg or dang discussion where showing this publicly created a social tension on the site, as in, one set of people distinguished from another.
dang discusses the (general lack of) secret superpowers here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22767204>, which reiterates what's in the FAQ:
HN gives three features to YC: job ads (see above) and startup launches get placed on the front page, and YC founder names are displayed to other YC alumni in orange.
https://news.ycombinator.com/newsfaq.html>
Top-100 karma lands you on the leaderboard: https://news.ycombinator.com/leaders>. That's currently 41,815+ karma. There are also no special privileges here other than occasionally being contacted by someone. (I've had inquiries about dealing with the head-trip of being on the leaderboard, and a couple of requests to boost submissions, which I forward to the moderation team).