Lived in the nwt for many years as a kid. Highlights? A lot: - good schools. I miss Ms. Carter - travel extensively through Yukon - great shape: shoveled a lot of snow and frozen Canadian ice cream. Lots of cross country skiing - maple walnut icecream is awesome. Hard to find in the usa - had a decent fossil collection for a while - got into a lot of trouble (having fun). Still know k-6 principal name (Ms. Wind and h…
Mine in the Northwest Territories provided uranium to Manhattan Project (2011)
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Re: Mine in the Northwest Territories provided uranium to Manhattan Project (2011)
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#33I had to look this up: the Northwest Territories are a part of Canada. It's only mentioned about half way through the article.
It's interesting being in Europe or somewhere and having a bunch of travelers introduce themselves, I've always noticed that most people will say what country their from, Italy, France, Canada etc, but Americans always just use their state.
Re: Mine in the Northwest Territories provided uranium to Manhattan Project (2011)
#34Perhaps a dumb question but why isn't mining highly robotized? As a layperson, it seems like it would lend itself well to remotely controlled heavy machinery.
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#35Earlier quoted context omitted.
Does this have something to do with the article? It reads like a random "mining is racist" rant which has set off some fighting.
Mining isn't racist necessarily, but it is definitely done by exploiting people, and in ways that line up with the power structure at that place and time. My wife did her (pharmacy) residency at a hospital in West Virginia, which is both incredibly poor, exploited heavily for coal mining (until the recent fracking boom surge in natural gas killed it), and very white. She definitely spent a lot of her time treating bl…
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#36Lived in the nwt for many years as a kid. Highlights? A lot: - good schools. I miss Ms. Carter - travel extensively through Yukon - great shape: shoveled a lot of snow and frozen Canadian ice cream. Lots of cross country skiing - maple walnut icecream is awesome. Hard to find in the usa - had a decent fossil collection for a while - got into a lot of trouble (having fun). Still know k-6 principal name (Ms. Wind and h…
I think you mean about 62 degrees north latitude?
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#38anyhow, at one point a Canadian threatens the American that he's going to "go all War of 1812 on your ass."
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#39Earlier quoted context omitted.
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I have no defence for the Canadian government's treatment of Indigenous people - either in this case or in a thousand others - but describing the Manhattan Project as "an American mission to kill as many people as they could in Japan" is really, really facile. For most of the war, the primary concern of the Manhattan Project was to counter Nazi Germany's attempt to build something similar, which had started beforehan…
While this was the rationale that was published after the war by the US government, current historical scholarship indicates that it was a lot more complicated than that. To give just a few key points:
Actual casualty estimates made by the US military in the spring and summer of 1945 for a land invasion of Japan were much smaller than figures quoted (without any specific sourcing given) in rationales published after the war. The latter figures were in the range of a half million to a million casualties, but the former figures were more like tens of thousands.
While it was certainly a goal of the Truman Administration to end the war quickly, if at all possible before the Soviet Union attacked Japan, dropping the atomic bombs was far from the only feasible option for doing that. In particular, there were plenty of indications (including intercepted Japanese diplomatic messages, since the US had broken the Japanese diplomatic code years before and was routinely reading all such traffic) that clarifying exactly what "unconditional surrender" meant, and in particular what the status of the Japanese Emperor would be, would have given the peace party within the Japanese government enough leverage to force a surrender sooner.
There is also plenty of evidence that at the very least Truman and his Secretary of State, James Byrnes, wanted to drop the atomic bombs in order to make the Soviet Union more tractable diplomatically and to reverse the much more conciliatory policy towards them that FDR had taken.
And finally, the internal deliberations of the Japanese government (which were not available to historians until some decades after the war) show that the impact of the Soviet Union invading Manchuria was much greater than the impact of the atomic bombs in pushing the issue for surrender. The Japanese weren't even sure at first what the atomic bombs were, and in any case the US had been firebombing Japanese cities for months so additional bombing was not a huge shock. The Soviets, however, had been stringing Japan along for more than a year at that point, holding out some hope that Japan might be able to get a negotiated peace brokered through the Soviet Union. In fact Stalin never had any such intention; he just wanted to make sure the Japanese didn't surrender until he had a chance to enter the war against them. But Japanese leaders didn't understand that until they were forced to realize it by the Soviet invasion of Manchuria (the same morning that the Nagasaki bomb was dropped).
Two good detailed references are The Decision to Use the Atomic Bomb by Gar Alperovitz and Racing the Enemy by Tsuyoshi Hasegawa.
> they also made several decisions that massively limited the amount of death - for instance, instead of picking relatively small military targets and staggering their delivery, they could've just dropped their three available bombs in one go on Tokyo, Osaka, and Nagoya and called it a day
The reason those cities were not targeted by atomic bombs had nothing to do with trying to limit deaths; they were not targeted because they had already been destroyed by firebombing in the months before the atomic bombs were ready, causing more deaths than the atomic bombs caused.
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#40Being from the US, I've noticed several times where a Canadian has popped up and said something similar to a boast that Canadians helped with something that is primarily an American thing. It always ways feels like the little brother chiming in "but I helped too!" I find it very endearing. Kind of a Wally and Beaver moment.
To be clear though, a huge amount of the key players were foreign scientists or foreign educated, such as Oppenheimer himself. We need to keep this in mind because although the U.S. helped pull all this together, we couldn't have done it without the foreign help we received. This is important in today's climate that gets more and more nationalistic by the day. Germany effectively gave the allies the win because they pushed out good people. The U.S. must keep this in mind.