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Re: Disney’s Taylor Swift Era

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Post by yakubin »

kibwen wrote: post #62
WORMS_EAT_WORMS wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I still could not accurately identify one of her songs by audio if my life depended on it OR if someone offered me $100 million I'd definitely lose out on that money. Lies.

Both this comment and the comment it's responding to are indicative of people living in their own bubbles. It's entirely reasonable that plenty of people just don't expose themselves to contexts where they would have had any opportunity to hear any given musical genre. This is easier than it's ever been since the invention of radio, thanks to the fracturing of culture via recommendation algorithms and the long tail t…

An even easier way to not be familiar with her: living in a country where she's not that important: https://chartmasters.org/taylor-swifts-global-heatmap/>. So it's pretty easy in: Chile, Switzerland, Italy, France, Argentina, Costa Rica, Spain, Netherlands, Southern America in general, Eastern Europe, Northern Europe... Lots of countries really. Living in a given country is not much of a bubble. Imagining that pop stars popular where you live are universally popular is very much a bubble.

Re: Disney’s Taylor Swift Era

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Post by ender341341 »

kibwen wrote: post #60
Shrezzing wrote: post #18

> Taylor Swift doesn’t understand supply and demand: I think that's a poor reading of Swift & her team. They've clearly got a rock-solid understanding of supply & demand, and other economic concepts, to the extent that their behaviour subverts textbook economic thinking. Spotify acts like a textbook perfectly competitive marketplace: all actors have perfect information, there are no monopolies, the market price for a…

> Taylor Swift doesn’t understand supply and demand I interpreted this as a criticism of Swift's attempt to generalize her experience to the rest of the artists in the industry. As you say, Swift and her marketing team have a solid understanding of what her fans will accept. However, to have her say that her tactics are applicable to musicians who don't have anywhere near her sort of following comes across as tone-de…

I think Bo Burnham had a bit this reminds me of on Taylor Swift:

"Taylor Swift telling you to follow your dreams is like a lottery winner telling you to sell everything and invest in the lotto." being the culmination

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q-JgG0ECp2U

Re: Disney’s Taylor Swift Era

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Post by badosu »

jsnell wrote: post #55
badosu wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't understand why you're being downvoted, I share the same sentiment. I don't know a single Taylor Swift song and I couldn't for my life know for sure a song from her, I'd probably be thinking of her or Katy Perry.

I think it's being downvoted for the "Area Man Constantly Mentioning He Doesn't Own A Television" energy of it, basically a combination of being an irrelevant tangent to the actual topic and boasting about ignorance of pop culture.

Makes sense, thank you

Re: Disney’s Taylor Swift Era

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Post by candiddevmike »

Shrezzing wrote: post #18

> Taylor Swift doesn’t understand supply and demand: I think that's a poor reading of Swift & her team. They've clearly got a rock-solid understanding of supply & demand, and other economic concepts, to the extent that their behaviour subverts textbook economic thinking. Spotify acts like a textbook perfectly competitive marketplace: all actors have perfect information, there are no monopolies, the market price for a…

> the market price for all items is the same, and all vendors are price-takers (the platform controls the price)

Not to detract from your point, but that's not really true: https://support.spotify.com/us/artists/article/royalties/

> Contrary to what you might have heard, Spotify does not pay artist royalties according to a per-play or per-stream rate; the royalty payments that artists receive might vary according to differences in how their music is streamed or the agreements they have with labels or distributors.

Re: Disney’s Taylor Swift Era

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Post by gumby »

TheGRS wrote: post #66
gumby wrote: post #50

The connection with Disney in the title seemed weird but it makes sense. The nut of his thesis is that we don't actually want to live our whole lives online, though things that are easier there (say buying singles) won't return to the real world. Two two revenue moat opportunities: 1 - physical experiences and 2 - customer "investment" drives enthusiasm, as a kind of brand-fueled sunk cost fallacy. Successful b2c bus…

Yes, the brands they own that don't have good multipliers seem like they're starting to slow them down. Stuff like Marvel and Star Wars integrate into their system extremely well. ESPN is odd because it is a multiplier on its own, but doesn't really seem to generate any money outside of advertising. The sports teams and their own live events benefit from the ESPN system though. I don't know who would buy that brand,…

> Stuff like Marvel and Star Wars integrate into their system extremely well.

The market appears to have reached the fatigue point with those (and Indiana Jones). Either they mismanaged the brands or properly milked them heavily while the market was hot. I suspect the latter, perhaps intentionally. Even the Beatles faded with time.

ESPN's big money maker turned out to have been cable carriage fees (I assume the same was true for ABC, but don't know). That is augering.

I'm not a huge fan of Disney as a cultural influence but, as you note, they have survived pervious difficult periods and will probably profit from the new world that is developing.

Re: Disney’s Taylor Swift Era

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Post by racl101 »

whinenot wrote: post #61
taylodl wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Her music isn't that hard to identify, even if you don't listen to it. It has a country-folk song structure, and a simple rhyme scheme. Listen to a few songs and you'll see what I mean. Meanwhile, I'm coming from the other side - I'm a musician and I've been wondering why is it I don't care much for the music of the biggest pop star on the planet? Usually when it comes to the "pop tarts" as I call them, they have som…

> use of a saxophone in modern pop music Ahh, the halcyon days of damn near every 80's Top 40 hit.

That's why my pops loved Huey Lewis and the News

Re: Disney’s Taylor Swift Era

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Post by true_religion »

RcouF1uZ4gsC wrote: post #47
Shrezzing wrote: post #18

> Taylor Swift doesn’t understand supply and demand: I think that's a poor reading of Swift & her team. They've clearly got a rock-solid understanding of supply & demand, and other economic concepts, to the extent that their behaviour subverts textbook economic thinking. Spotify acts like a textbook perfectly competitive marketplace: all actors have perfect information, there are no monopolies, the market price for a…

> Taylor Swift doesn’t understand supply and demand: That statement is even more laughable when you realize that she is one of the most financially savvy people, and both her mother and father worked in the financial industry.

What’s up with finance always leaning hard on blood relations to imply competence?

No where else is this true. No one will say the children of doctors should definitely be medically savvy.

Re: Disney’s Taylor Swift Era

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Post by marcuschristie »

dj_gitmo wrote: post #11

> I had friends who went to the first show, and I think she played 45 songs — it was 3+ hours ... She’s sold out 6 straight shows here in Los Angeles I'm surprised it is physically possible to sing for 3 hours, 6 nights in a row.

Small clarification: that's 6 shows over 7 nights. 3 nights, then off one night, then 3 more nights. So she does get a break, but in general I completely agree.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Eras_Tour#Tour_dates

Re: Disney’s Taylor Swift Era

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Post by Slow_Hand »

true_religion wrote: post #77
RcouF1uZ4gsC wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Taylor Swift doesn’t understand supply and demand: That statement is even more laughable when you realize that she is one of the most financially savvy people, and both her mother and father worked in the financial industry.

What’s up with finance always leaning hard on blood relations to imply competence? No where else is this true. No one will say the children of doctors should definitely be medically savvy.

I took it to mean that she has good counsel on financial matters as a result of her parent’s background.

Re: Disney’s Taylor Swift Era

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Post by palata »

dublinben wrote: post #17

I thought this would be about how both are reissuing / remaking their old content instead of making something new. Consumers seem to be eating them both up though.

Though there is a big difference between a live artist performing old content (which is kind of the point, you want a live performance) and Disney making poor copies of masterpieces with newer technology.
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