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Hip hop historians who are racing to preserve its story

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Re: Hip hop historians who are racing to preserve its story

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I've thought about this quite a bit. I'm a big fan of the record label Bear Family, a German label that specializes in releasing boxsets from R&B/Rock&Roll/Country artists from the 20's-70's. Want to hear every song The Carter Family ever recorded in their original incarnation? They have a 12 CD boxset for you! They generally do this be acquiring the original master tapes from the labels, which often include a lot of…

> Unfortunately, most of this material was only released in unofficial forms, often on low-quality MP3s and often with some random dude shouting over the intro. If that's the art form as it was experienced, do archivists need to make a "better" version?

This is like asking if a recording of the 1996 Olympics should have to include all of the commercials.

For historical purposes, sure, have that as an option, but lil wayne's mixtapes are not better off for the random DJs or website advertisements yelled over them. That's not the music he made.

Re: Hip hop historians who are racing to preserve its story

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Tangential, but I think the streaming services are preserving the story just fine on their own. No matter how many times I skip or dislike a hip hop song, they all keep shoving them down my throat with their recommendation engines. Very frustrating. /rant

Please, stop.

If you don't like the genre, then you are absolutely in no position to comment usefully or intelligently on whether it is being preserved properly.

Re: Hip hop historians who are racing to preserve its story

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Maybe an unpopular opinion, but I believe when it all became known about what Afrika Bambaataa had been up to the whole foundations of hip hop as a credible art form fell away, and it has been in decline ever since. Maybe the offshoots are more commercially popular than ever but that serious audience seems to have given up on the core product.

Given that a lot of 80s-90s hip hop music the musicians claimed to perpetrate murder, drug crime and sexual exploitation - would you expect the audience to much care?

Absolute garbage comment. Go listen to some 60s rock and it's nothing but the same themes. Jim Morrison and the Doors wrote songs about explicitly killing your father, doing drugs, etc.

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A big thing in the background of all of this; America, perhaps the world, myself included, really hasn't come to properly reckon with the extent to which we all subconsciously think of Black American art (including hip-hop) as something to be "taken" or "used" or generally not culturally owned by Black folks, usually Americans.

The example that sticks in my head: if I, a black guy, were to get into Irish step-dancing, that's great. I would never, though, suggest that it's "not just Irish, it's universal." I'd respect where it comes from.

Yet we have ALL heard the well-meaning, but ultimately a bit harmful, exact same thing said about Hip-hop.

I think this ends up having real life consequences; see e.g. the rise of (Rap)Genius.com. They got big on the back of rap lyrics without much respecting the artists AT ALL.

Re: Hip hop historians who are racing to preserve its story

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This is very relevant to me. There's a great song I heard on The Wire from HBO called "Analyze" by Sharpshooters [1]. Info on this group is almost non-existent; Only a brief synopsis repeated on Reddit and a few other sites. This was a song used on one of the most popular TV shows ever, I cannot imagine the amount of info being lost on lesser groups/songs.

Also related, I LOVE MF DOOM. Collecting his discography is a fun little task, considering he appears on various albums using one of many monikers.

[1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DMlCLw4aCqA

Re: Hip hop historians who are racing to preserve its story

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Tangential, but I think the streaming services are preserving the story just fine on their own. No matter how many times I skip or dislike a hip hop song, they all keep shoving them down my throat with their recommendation engines. Very frustrating. /rant

So you don't pay a fair price for your music consumption and still complain about the quality of service?

They didn't imply anything about piracy.

Re: Hip hop historians who are racing to preserve its story

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A big thing in the background of all of this; America, perhaps the world, myself included, really hasn't come to properly reckon with the extent to which we all subconsciously think of Black American art (including hip-hop) as something to be "taken" or "used" or generally not culturally owned by Black folks, usually Americans. The example that sticks in my head: if I, a black guy, were to get into Irish step-dancing…

What does it mean for hip-hop to be culturally owned by black folks? What does it mean for non-black hip-hop artists?

Re: Hip hop historians who are racing to preserve its story

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post #65

A big thing in the background of all of this; America, perhaps the world, myself included, really hasn't come to properly reckon with the extent to which we all subconsciously think of Black American art (including hip-hop) as something to be "taken" or "used" or generally not culturally owned by Black folks, usually Americans. The example that sticks in my head: if I, a black guy, were to get into Irish step-dancing…

A piece of culture is important in proportion to the reluctance of people to assign an owner to it, whether legal or otherwise. No one would criticize a Frenchman for using Newton's Laws because it belongs to the British. Someone who is really enthusiastic about something will emphasize that it is universally appreciated. E.g., Shakespeare being put on by diverse cultures, Islam trying to spread itself to every corner of the world, Chinese silk being exported to anyone who will buy it, etc.

If I was a hip hop artist, there would be no bigger insult than assigning ownership of my art to a specific culture. If it's really so great, it should speak to everyone. If this isn't true of Irish step dancing, it's because it's a relatively trivial art form. You can trivialize hip hop too if you want, but it's not necessarily doing hip hop artists any favors.

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