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Post by alsetmusic »

mensetmanusman wrote: post #205
spiderfarmer wrote: post #184

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Does the value Breitbart adds to the internet outweigh the negatives of turning people into dangerous fascists by weaponizing misinformation? No. Does the value added by sources like the NYT outweigh the negatives of being occasionally biased or outright wrong? Yes.

NYT has arguably done far more damage to the world (Iraq, etc.) than Breitbart has.

> NYT has arguably done far more damage to the world (Iraq, etc.) than Breitbart has.

NYT may have more reach and definitely isn't neutral, but it's a far cry from the nonsense that Breitbart publishes. It's nakedly partisan.

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Post by mdp2021 »

dang wrote: post #148
mutant_glofish wrote: post #43

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And how was the decision made to ban Federalist, but not say Guardian or The Daily Beast? Do you have any process in place to ensure that your political biases don't influence the list, or you don't care about that?

We don't have "processes" at HN. The idea makes my skin crawl. Plenty of both left- and right-wing sites are banned and/or downweighted on HN. When a site is primarily about political battle, we either ban it or downweight it. Which of the two we choose depends on how likely the site is to produce the occasional interesting article (in HN's sense of the word "interesting"). That's why The Federalist and World Workers…

> [/]even[/] Rust programmers feel it

:D

> Someone should write a PhD thesis about it

In a perspective it could be related to Multi-Agent Systems (maybe with reference also to Minsky and H. Simon), as a consequence of the narrow view of the single agent, and/or an intrinsic fault of resource optimization.

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Post by yownie »

johngladtj wrote: post #201
dang wrote: post #159

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I don't want us to be user hostile. Can you link to some examples?

I would consider any moderation action that isn't visible to users to be user hostile. If you're going to censor someone, you owe it to them to be honest about what you're doing to them.

>If you're going to censor someone

unless HN is suddenly the government what you've misnomered is moderation, not censorship. Calling censorship just exaggerates your opinion and makes you look unhinged. It's a private website not national news.

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Post by [deleted] »

danparsonson wrote: post #105
xNeil wrote: post #86

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I came to HN because it seemed to be a place of free dialogue. > It's certainly under no obligation to promote right-wing propaganda and hate. It's certainly under no obligation to promote any propaganda or hate. That's what makes the site great. The HN crowd is not your average layman - it's largely well read and educated people. Why not let them decide what is propaganda and what's not (as opposed to some arbitrary…

> The HN crowd is not your average layman - it's largely well read and educated people. Why not let them decide what is propaganda and what's not (as opposed to some arbitrary authority deciding this)? That is at best a very naïve take. This is a public forum, not some secret society of like-minded intelligentsia.

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Post by riddley »

steve1977 wrote: post #180

People are still using Twitter?

The justifications I've seen go along the lines of "I can't go elsewhere because my followers are here." .... But if you left, they'd likely follow.

It's like a microcosm of capitalism. The users don't realize they hold all of the power, I guess.

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Post by johngladtj »

yownie wrote: post #243
johngladtj wrote: post #201

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I would consider any moderation action that isn't visible to users to be user hostile. If you're going to censor someone, you owe it to them to be honest about what you're doing to them.

>If you're going to censor someone unless HN is suddenly the government what you've misnomered is moderation, not censorship. Calling censorship just exaggerates your opinion and makes you look unhinged. It's a private website not national news.

Censorship is not limited to who does it.

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Post by johngladtj »

DamonHD wrote: post #223
johngladtj wrote: post #201

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I would consider any moderation action that isn't visible to users to be user hostile. If you're going to censor someone, you owe it to them to be honest about what you're doing to them.

You possibly haven't experienced how devious and determined and dishonest and unpleasant some bad actors are, including SPAMmers. (Even when doing the RightThing(TM) would probably be easier...) And, BTW, I occasionally get blocked by the mechanisms here, even though not doing anything bad, but understand that there is a trade-off.

I am fully aware of the issue.

That's one of the costs with having a public website.

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Post by hdjjhhvvhga »

johngladtj wrote: post #246
yownie wrote: post #243

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>If you're going to censor someone unless HN is suddenly the government what you've misnomered is moderation, not censorship. Calling censorship just exaggerates your opinion and makes you look unhinged. It's a private website not national news.

Censorship is not limited to who does it.

So please explain the difference between censorship and moderation.

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Post by astrange »

craftkiller wrote: post #80
astrange wrote: post #67

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And then reinstated again at the state level. It never went away, this just doesn't apply because Twitter isn't an ISP (in that sense).

TIL! Looks like its only some of the states, and that is a good point about Twitter not being an ISP. Twitter is incorporated in Delaware which has not passed state-level net neutrality, so I don't know if it would have mattered anyway.

It basically just matters what California does. There's enough customers there that it's easier to apply those policies nationwide.

Incorporated in Delaware hardly ever affects anything except corporate law.

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