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Hip hop historians who are racing to preserve its story

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Re: Hip hop historians who are racing to preserve its story

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Post by ndsipa_pomu »

cing wrote: post #25
dep_b wrote: post #3

The blog era, that was so cool. The most rare stuff you could find, including some background. Now it's usually on YouTube mostly devoid of context and only single tracks.

Heck yes. Music pirates have done a whole lot to help preserve hip-hop history by ripping/archiving countless rare/underground 12" and cassettes that are definitely not available on streaming platforms; we're talking alternative versions of songs like clean edits, remixes, acapellas, instrumentals which supported hip-hop producers and DJs in the early days. For example, check the posts in the early 2010's of sites li…

Double Dee and Steinski mixes - their existence is due to pirates

Re: Hip hop historians who are racing to preserve its story

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Post by mywittyname »

FirmwareBurner wrote: post #23
ilamont wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I recently got a While not a backup-related issue, it forced a scramble on my end. I am sure hundreds of others didn't see it or couldn't react until well after the fact. Shopify said this is allowed per its developer TOS.

>Shopify said this is allowed per its developer TOS. Without any kind of legislation saying otherwise, these companies can put whatever the fuck they want in the TOS, which is the cheat code that allowed tech companies to extract obscene profits while completely skipping on customer support costs and legal liability. But this could always come to an end if there's political will to legislate. In my home country a new…

Perhaps companies who are effected need to class action this behavior, since there's clear economic damages that can result.

The spectre of a multi-billion dollar lawsuit is probably going to be much more effective at encouraging "fair" behavior on these platforms than any sort of legislation could ever be. If legislation says 30 days, then 30 days it shall be. But if a court rules whatever is reasonable amount of time for a customer to act without suffering economic damages, then we might see some due diligence to ensure smooth migrations.

Re: Hip hop historians who are racing to preserve its story

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Post by lawgimenez »

porterbeats wrote: post #18
ndsipa_pomu wrote: post #7

Rap is like a set-up, a lot of games A lot of suckers with colorful names I’m so-and-so, I’m this, I’m that Huh, but they all just wick-wick-wack

Hip-hop can be bland and shallow (like any other genre) but there's lots of unique and interesting music if one takes the time to get into it. Deltron 3030 (self titled) and MF DOOM's MM...FOOD are fantastic on a lyrical and production level

There’s a lot of great producers too on hiphop if one just takes time to appreciate the difficulty of creating a beat.

Re: Hip hop historians who are racing to preserve its story

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Post by mikrl »

I don’t know the original source, but it is the intro to one of the tracks on The Prodigy’s 1998 mixtape ‘the dirtchamber sessions’

“Do you remember the days,

When Kool Herc played,

With a following of bands?

If you don’t, well then you won’t

(That’s right!)

Real hip hop, my man”

Re: Hip hop historians who are racing to preserve its story

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Post by WesternMAGeek »

Exmoor wrote: post #29

I've thought about this quite a bit. I'm a big fan of the record label Bear Family, a German label that specializes in releasing boxsets from R&B/Rock&Roll/Country artists from the 20's-70's. Want to hear every song The Carter Family ever recorded in their original incarnation? They have a 12 CD boxset for you! They generally do this be acquiring the original master tapes from the labels, which often include a lot of…

Bear Family is amazing!

I have a bunch of their box sets. Pure archival gold - including Jerry Lee Lewis making really crude jokes in between takes of a song.

We need a Bear Family equivalent for hip-hop!

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Post by ndsipa_pomu »

aswanson wrote: post #45
ndsipa_pomu wrote: post #7

Rap is like a set-up, a lot of games A lot of suckers with colorful names I’m so-and-so, I’m this, I’m that Huh, but they all just wick-wick-wack

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Re: Hip hop historians who are racing to preserve its story

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Post by ndsipa_pomu »

lawgimenez wrote: post #43
porterbeats wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hip-hop can be bland and shallow (like any other genre) but there's lots of unique and interesting music if one takes the time to get into it. Deltron 3030 (self titled) and MF DOOM's MM...FOOD are fantastic on a lyrical and production level

There’s a lot of great producers too on hiphop if one just takes time to appreciate the difficulty of creating a beat.

There was a cool website featured on here a little while back about Dilla-time.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36189583

https://pudding.cool/2023/06/groove/

Re: Hip hop historians who are racing to preserve its story

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Post by wahnfrieden »

michaelt wrote: post #33
Exmoor wrote: post #29

I've thought about this quite a bit. I'm a big fan of the record label Bear Family, a German label that specializes in releasing boxsets from R&B/Rock&Roll/Country artists from the 20's-70's. Want to hear every song The Carter Family ever recorded in their original incarnation? They have a 12 CD boxset for you! They generally do this be acquiring the original master tapes from the labels, which often include a lot of…

> Unfortunately, most of this material was only released in unofficial forms, often on low-quality MP3s and often with some random dude shouting over the intro. If that's the art form as it was experienced, do archivists need to make a "better" version?

It is those very versions which need preserving if that is what exists
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