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Re: Hip hop historians who are racing to preserve its story

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Maybe an unpopular opinion, but I believe when it all became known about what Afrika Bambaataa had been up to the whole foundations of hip hop as a credible art form fell away, and it has been in decline ever since. Maybe the offshoots are more commercially popular than ever but that serious audience seems to have given up on the core product.

Who is the "serious audience" and what is the "core product" they've given up?

Re: Hip hop historians who are racing to preserve its story

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The parent comment is quoting a classic bar from "My Philosophy" by Boogie Down Productions[0]. [0] - https://genius.com/376131

Thanks. Seems like my comment's getting downvoted which I hope is just people not familiar with KRS-One. Edit: Never mind, it's gone positive now.

Which in the context of this thread / OP is proof that the history must not only be preserved, but must be promoted, honored, etc.

I could of year ago I work at an agency and one of the new dev starter and said something about being into hip hop. I mentioned Rakim and the reply was, "Who?" Don't get me wrong, I respect Nas, Eminem, etc. (i.e., all the lyrical magicians) but they stand on the shoulders of The R.

Re: Hip hop historians who are racing to preserve its story

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post #29

I've thought about this quite a bit. I'm a big fan of the record label Bear Family, a German label that specializes in releasing boxsets from R&B/Rock&Roll/Country artists from the 20's-70's. Want to hear every song The Carter Family ever recorded in their original incarnation? They have a 12 CD boxset for you! They generally do this be acquiring the original master tapes from the labels, which often include a lot of…

> Unfortunately, most of this material was only released in unofficial forms, often on low-quality MP3s and often with some random dude shouting over the intro.

If that's the art form as it was experienced, do archivists need to make a "better" version?

Re: Hip hop historians who are racing to preserve its story

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A little off topic but funny enough to mention. Here in France, Skyblog.com is closing its doors in the next days. It was a blog platform ran by the #1 hiphop radio. It's not related to hip hop at all, even the radio only play crappy mainstream rap since 30 years ago, but back in the days, it was an easy way for a lot of teens to have a voice on the Internet. It wasn't deep at all, often really dumb, and it was mocke…

Just a nuance: the true number one hiphop radio was always génération 88.2 :-P

SkyRock even has rock in its name.

Just being playful :o)

Re: Hip hop historians who are racing to preserve its story

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Thanks. Seems like my comment's getting downvoted which I hope is just people not familiar with KRS-One. Edit: Never mind, it's gone positive now.

Which in the context of this thread / OP is proof that the history must not only be preserved, but must be promoted, honored, etc. I could of year ago I work at an agency and one of the new dev starter and said something about being into hip hop. I mentioned Rakim and the reply was, "Who?" Don't get me wrong, I respect Nas, Eminem, etc. (i.e., all the lyrical magicians) but they stand on the shoulders of The R.

Not knowing Rakim would be fighting talk round my way.

A friend asked me a while ago to give him a list of the top ten (or fifteen) hip hop tracks that are important to me or the development of hip hop. I wasn't sure whether to include Last Poets as one of the first "rap" groups or whether Gil Scott-Heron should be considered the jazz ancestor. However, I then got stuck around the Tribe Called Quest and Busta Rhymes era.

Obviously, "Follow The Leader" was my choice of Rakim track, but I'm having trouble with picking a single Tribe track - should really be the whole of Low End Theory along with a cheat sheet of the significant jazz samples that Q-Tip used.

Re: Hip hop historians who are racing to preserve its story

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Maybe an unpopular opinion, but I believe when it all became known about what Afrika Bambaataa had been up to the whole foundations of hip hop as a credible art form fell away, and it has been in decline ever since. Maybe the offshoots are more commercially popular than ever but that serious audience seems to have given up on the core product.

What was he up to ? When did it become known?

Re: Hip hop historians who are racing to preserve its story

#38

Maybe an unpopular opinion, but I believe when it all became known about what Afrika Bambaataa had been up to the whole foundations of hip hop as a credible art form fell away, and it has been in decline ever since. Maybe the offshoots are more commercially popular than ever but that serious audience seems to have given up on the core product.

Given that a lot of 80s-90s hip hop music the musicians claimed to perpetrate murder, drug crime and sexual exploitation - would you expect the audience to much care?

Re: Hip hop historians who are racing to preserve its story

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Maybe an unpopular opinion, but I believe when it all became known about what Afrika Bambaataa had been up to the whole foundations of hip hop as a credible art form fell away, and it has been in decline ever since. Maybe the offshoots are more commercially popular than ever but that serious audience seems to have given up on the core product.

What was he up to ? When did it become known?

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