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if you're a publisher or make a living as a self-published author and you aren't keeping tabs on major book-related news, isn't that on you? Most people would think they don't have to worry about it because there are these things called laws that say you can't make unlimited copies of copyrighted material. Which is what the IA did, independent of the fact they didn't allow their users to also make unlimited copies. D…
It's ok. They did the right thing, and continue to do so even without your approval or sympathy. You can move on with your life, they will continue to fight the good fight as they always have.
Internet Archive responds to recording industry lawsuit targeting obsolete media
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I disagree. A median value might be really misleading (you could have very high usage for 49% of the collection, and nothing for the rest). But assuming average means "mean..." You might have a few hotspots, but there's a very tight upper bound on how many downloads of each item. Further, it argues that the overall collection has a very high research and preservation value compared to the total number of downloads.
I don't agree. The size of the set is of paramount importance to that point. They can always bring the mean down by just adding more recordings to the set, to further obscure how popular the most popular recordings are. In a set of 10 billion, of course people aren't listening to most of them. Quite clearly what the plaintiffs are afraid of is that there are a few very popular works in there that they could be making…
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#163Earlier quoted context omitted.
I disagree. A median value might be really misleading (you could have very high usage for 49% of the collection, and nothing for the rest). But assuming average means "mean..." You might have a few hotspots, but there's a very tight upper bound on how many downloads of each item. Further, it argues that the overall collection has a very high research and preservation value compared to the total number of downloads.
I don't agree. The size of the set is of paramount importance to that point. They can always bring the mean down by just adding more recordings to the set, to further obscure how popular the most popular recordings are. In a set of 10 billion, of course people aren't listening to most of them. Quite clearly what the plaintiffs are afraid of is that there are a few very popular works in there that they could be making…
The companies have very successful legal departments. They go after the next lowest hanging fruit. They are just working, it's their job description to do this. This is why they will never stop, it never gets too absurd or overly unreasonable.
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#164So the conspiracy theorist in me believes they may see this archiving as a threat for their current copyrights. So often modern copyrights holders get their copyrights invalidated when trying to enforce and litigate against others by someone finding an older work that predates the more more recent one. The Happy Birthday song got invalidated by an older work of "Good Morning to All" [1]. Having this database out ther…
The media industry has had it out for the internet archive for a long time. I don't think they see this collection as a threat any larger than anything else the archive is offering. They've also been endlessly pushing for more and more control over the internet.
They've been largely successful getting ISPs to perform vast amounts of work for them entirely for free and without question. They can force ISPs to permanently disconnect users based on nothing but unproven accusations. ISPs who fail to cut their customers off from the internet risk an endless barrage of massive lawsuits. Courts have so been agreeing with the RIAA that this is acceptable.
They've been able to force ISPs in many countries to censor and block access to online content on demand based on nothing but their assurance that something is infringing. In the US they've had less success with content blocking and blacklists but they keep pushing and pushing.
It's insane how much power they've been able to get already, but they aren't satisfied. I see this attack on the internet archive as just another push for control over online media.
> A certain cord progression or beat or a creative lyric and rhyme long forgotten in this old music could endanger parts of their current music catalog.
The conspiracy theorist in me believes that this is actually a feature for them! Anyone who dares to make music without paying the cartel is forever at risk of having their works challenged for sounding too similar to something else. If you're a musician and don't want to pay up and hand your creative works over to the RIAA you'll be giving up the protection of RIAA lawyers.
Most of the other copyright owners who might sue you are also in the RIAA (or their international equivalents) which can make it easier to reach "an understanding" outside of the court system avoiding expensive lawsuits a struggling independent artist can't afford. The constant threat of having your songs challenged helps them operate as a protection racket and keeps independent artists in a very vulnerable position which drives up membership and discourages competition.
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#165While I strongly disagree with the length of copyright protection, after reading this and reading more about the case, from a purely legal perspective, I just don't see how IA has any defense. They basically just seem to be saying "these are old records, so we should be able to copy them. Also, our work is mainly for academic researchers." My guess is that they are arguing fair use, but I just don't see how that appl…
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#166Earlier quoted context omitted.
I don't agree. The size of the set is of paramount importance to that point. They can always bring the mean down by just adding more recordings to the set, to further obscure how popular the most popular recordings are. In a set of 10 billion, of course people aren't listening to most of them. Quite clearly what the plaintiffs are afraid of is that there are a few very popular works in there that they could be making…
That is far from the truth. The companies have very successful legal departments. They go after the next lowest hanging fruit. They are just working, it's their job description to do this. This is why they will never stop, it never gets too absurd or overly unreasonable. edit: Deleted fake example
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#167Earlier quoted context omitted.
> My guess is that they are arguing fair use, but I just don't see how that applies here when they make copyrighted works available, for free, over the Internet. The fourth part of the fair use test rests on whether the use of the work impacts the commercial market for the work. Given these works are often: - Not offered in their original form - Would likely have little residual commercial value if so offered - And,…
Couldn’t one argue that while there’s _minimal_ commercial viability of this work now, it’s still not zero? And that by making these available they could make it zero?
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#168Earlier quoted context omitted.
That is far from the truth. The companies have very successful legal departments. They go after the next lowest hanging fruit. They are just working, it's their job description to do this. This is why they will never stop, it never gets too absurd or overly unreasonable. edit: Deleted fake example
This appears to be a hoax. https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/metallica/
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The classic DJ turntable was the Technics SL-1200. It plays 45 and 33.3. The Pioneer PLX-1000 is a near-copy of the old Technics, it also plays 45 and 33.3 rpm
Maybe the classics don't, but the SL-1200 variants here play 78: https://us.technics.com/collections/turntables
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This is a little meta but: it's great how you predicted a possible unproductive line of discussion that might result from your question and headed it off with a clarification. Props for communications skills. I'm also a little sad that this disclaimer is even needed. I think it says something about how the character of HN has changed in the last ten years--there's no longer an assumption that the people on the other…
Thanks for that. I tried, yet still there are comment responses that literally do the exact thing I think is so annoying: complain sarcastically that copyright is stupid because it obviously isn't incentivizing the original artists here. No shit, we know. But whatever, those comments get pushed to the bottom, and I thought the top responses were really helpful (I didn't previously know about the details of the fair u…
Boring, flamey, predictable activist/political content has absolutely no place on HN.
Your prediction was on point, but we shouldn't have to head off these extremely repetitive and unproductive tangents every time - they should be flagged and downvoted into the ground so that they stop coming up in the first place.
I want 2010 HN back.