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Internet Archive responds to recording industry lawsuit targeting obsolete media

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Re: Internet Archive responds to recording industry lawsuit targeting obsolete media

#111

Regardless of the moral merit, I feel Internet Archive is taking on way too much risk with regard to these copyright fights. Internet Archive, in my mind is one of the most valuable things on the Internet mainly for their massive archive of web sites. Risking losing all that over music records and a very risky “loan” program of copyrighted books seems rather reckless.

what's preventing them from getting sued for the websites? it's the same copyright law being infringed on, on the same pretenses

Re: Internet Archive responds to recording industry lawsuit targeting obsolete media

#112

While I strongly disagree with the length of copyright protection, after reading this and reading more about the case, from a purely legal perspective, I just don't see how IA has any defense. They basically just seem to be saying "these are old records, so we should be able to copy them. Also, our work is mainly for academic researchers." My guess is that they are arguing fair use, but I just don't see how that appl…

I refuse to donate to them because I see their disregard for copyright as a liability.

You have to host copyrighted work to make an archive, there's no other choice since the current copyright system swallowed the whole culture. The problem isn't them, it's the law.

Re: Internet Archive responds to recording industry lawsuit targeting obsolete media

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post #61

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Shellac 78s are old but equipment to play them is commercially available and they can be played on turntables that support 78 rpm with the right cartridge. I misplaced the 78 belt for my Pro-ject turntable during a move a few years ago and in the mean time found a copy of New World Symphony that I’ve been wanting to listen to.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shellac Just learned shellac is resin produced by south asian bugs - used to do not only record but food glaze and varnishes.

Shellac can be made out of different things, and has been a common polish for wooden instruments for example, before we got chemical protections like nitrocellulose lacquer. For handmade instruments [shellac and french polishing](https://www.lmii.com/blog/2017/10/07/finishing-options-for-m...) is still often preferred due to being environment and human friendly (chemical lacks are often non-healthy for the human who works with them), relatively inexpensive (cook your oyster shell :)), and for being do-it-yourself solution which many luthiers prefer. Some people claims a guitar polished with shellac sounds better than one with a cellulose lack, but I am not sure if I agree that is a deciding factor for the sound, probably more of a psychological factor.

Re: Internet Archive responds to recording industry lawsuit targeting obsolete media

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post #63

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I don't know, if you tell me that 120 years from now, one researcher a month will be accessing it, I'll go write a song right now!

But the hedge fund that owns the record company that will own the rights to your song won’t earn any money! How can you live with that future moral tragedy after you die?

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Re: Internet Archive responds to recording industry lawsuit targeting obsolete media

#115

While I strongly disagree with the length of copyright protection, after reading this and reading more about the case, from a purely legal perspective, I just don't see how IA has any defense. They basically just seem to be saying "these are old records, so we should be able to copy them. Also, our work is mainly for academic researchers." My guess is that they are arguing fair use, but I just don't see how that appl…

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Re: Internet Archive responds to recording industry lawsuit targeting obsolete media

#117

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I refuse to donate to them because I see their disregard for copyright as a liability.

Non-profits essentially have to be the ones to push the limits of laws like this, because it's not profitable, so for-profit entities aren't going to do it. But someone has to do it or you can never get a precedent saying that something good is actually allowed. The problem is the RIAA knows this, because they have expensive lawyers, and they try to avoid proceeding with a suit unless they think their victim has made…

Although he actually had a profit motive, god bless Larry Flynt.

Re: Internet Archive responds to recording industry lawsuit targeting obsolete media

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post #115

While I strongly disagree with the length of copyright protection, after reading this and reading more about the case, from a purely legal perspective, I just don't see how IA has any defense. They basically just seem to be saying "these are old records, so we should be able to copy them. Also, our work is mainly for academic researchers." My guess is that they are arguing fair use, but I just don't see how that appl…

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It's not unreasonable to ask for a better understanding of the applicable law(s) in a post about a lawsuit.

Re: Internet Archive responds to recording industry lawsuit targeting obsolete media

#119

Isn't vinyl the most popular physical medium by sales right now? Sure, 78s aren't as supported, but the first Technics turntable I clicked on can play them, and the Wirecutter has a recommendation that plays them. "Obsolete" is a stretch.

Shellac records need different replaceable needles, because fine pieces of grit are embedded in the record to harden it and wear down the needle. Needed because the tracking force was so high back in the day.

Modern records use a so-called "microgroove", usually crystal needles in the cassette, and one or so grams of tracking force. You probably wouldn't pick anything up off a shellac record, if you tried playing it.

Re: Internet Archive responds to recording industry lawsuit targeting obsolete media

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Legal considerations are not the only considerations. What the court says is not accepted by all as the final word. And why should we need to confine our replies to a narrow and arbitrary framework of existing case law, when there is so much more at play?

Because so many of those responses are just wholly uninteresting - they're just "basic" as the kids say (or used to say? I can't keep up anymore). "Rich companies abuse copyright" - no shit. "Copyright is unreasonably long" - no shit. "It's absurd to think copyright needs to be that long to incentivize creation" - no shit. Putting a sarcastic or "witty" spin on the above types of arguments still gets the same "no shi…

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