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Brandon Gilles Dies from Long-Covid, Electrical Engineer and Spatial AI Pioneer

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Re: Brandon Gilles Dies from Long-Covid, Electrical Engineer and Spatial AI Pioneer

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Post by gyzmau »

pfannkuchen wrote: post #9
DrFlipper wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That vaccination timeline is... interesting. But it would be a wild conspiracy to say more.

That document is incredibly long and I didn’t find any mention of vaccination in the sections I skimmed. What is the timeline you’re referring to?

in the document the author said: Moderna Vaccine as soon as I could get it First dose MODERNA COVID-19 VACCINE April 8th, 2021 ... Second dose MODERNA COVID-19 VACCINE May 6th, 2021 ...

Interestingly as well, his family seems to have a very strong genetic propensity for ME/CFS.

After I wont comment on the timeline, very hard to make a conclusion on a single case, and need to read all the document too.

overall, that document is very interesting, It wont be possible to really conclude anything from it, I think. But surely it could be integrated to other study case to look for correlation or others stuff.

Re: Brandon Gilles Dies from Long-Covid, Electrical Engineer and Spatial AI Pioneer

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Post by ck2 »

bcatanzaro wrote: post #6

I didn't know Long COVID could cause multiple organ failure and death.

There's isn't just one kind of long-covid but it can via several mechanisms.

There's no scientific term for it but some call it premature aging or radical aging.

It takes awhile to happen, but he caught covid in 2020 so it's been over three years.

What spooks me is he was really intelligent and researched everything about it extensively but it was useless in the end.

There are likely to be more and more people from 2020 and then later with this happening on a time-delay.

Re: Brandon Gilles Dies from Long-Covid, Electrical Engineer and Spatial AI Pioneer

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Post by latchkey »

haldujai wrote: post #7

With all respect to Brandon Gilles, I have never heard of "dying from long covid" before and am trying to understand what this means. There is a huge discrepancy and a lot of detail missing between "developed Long-COVID symptoms such as brain fog, fatigue, muscle pain and shortness of breath" and "he suffered from multiple organ failures". I tried searching but have not found anything (yes I know some death certifica…

It was an easy google search ("covid multiple organ failure") with a bunch of responses, including:

https://medicine.wustl.edu/news/repeat-covid-19-infections-i...

https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/jmv.27627

https://bmcinfectdis.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s128...

Re: Brandon Gilles Dies from Long-Covid, Electrical Engineer and Spatial AI Pioneer

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Post by haldujai »

pfannkuchen wrote: post #9
DrFlipper wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That vaccination timeline is... interesting. But it would be a wild conspiracy to say more.

That document is incredibly long and I didn’t find any mention of vaccination in the sections I skimmed. What is the timeline you’re referring to?

It starts on page 102 on the PDF. I am not sure what's interesting about his vaccination timeline.

What is interesting is on page 105:

As of April 5, 2023 ... And overall, it’s clear from the data of what I can do in a day that I’m starting to recover, now already surpassing average walking from October of 2022.

I only read the timeline and he doesn't describe being anywhere near organ failure over the 2 years described. He also states he had been cleared from multiple specialist physicians which suggests he did not have signs of end-organ dysfunction.

It's hard to understand how this seemingly positive timeline ended in rapid decline and untimely death from multiple organ failure over 3.5 months unless something significant happened.

Re: Brandon Gilles Dies from Long-Covid, Electrical Engineer and Spatial AI Pioneer

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Post by slowmovintarget »

haldujai wrote: post #7

With all respect to Brandon Gilles, I have never heard of "dying from long covid" before and am trying to understand what this means. There is a huge discrepancy and a lot of detail missing between "developed Long-COVID symptoms such as brain fog, fatigue, muscle pain and shortness of breath" and "he suffered from multiple organ failures". I tried searching but have not found anything (yes I know some death certifica…

That site is bizarre. The text was made unselectable for some reason. It also appears to be a rehash of some other random site.

This is a bit better: https://twitter.com/BrandonGilles/status/1686937347819233280

Re: Brandon Gilles Dies from Long-Covid, Electrical Engineer and Spatial AI Pioneer

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Post by jerlam »

DrFlipper wrote: post #4
ck2 wrote: post #2

Found this old interview with him, it's sad to see someone with so much energy taken down. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-DG2LOj8Upw His long-covid google doc survives him, which I guess is what happens these days https://docs.google.com/document/d/1X3dNPgEuQ2j8x7w8OqLEDP7l... (PDF) https://docs.google.com/document/export?format=pdf&id=1X3dNP...

That vaccination timeline is... interesting. But it would be a wild conspiracy to say more.

The PDF document starting on page 102 has the timeline including vaccination and symptoms. It also contains:

- A family history of ME/CFS and schizophrenia

- The author's own experience with ME/CFS

- Successful self-treatment of ME/CFS and pre-schizophrenia

It puts the rest of the document in context.

Re: Brandon Gilles Dies from Long-Covid, Electrical Engineer and Spatial AI Pioneer

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Post by DrFlipper »

pfannkuchen wrote: post #9
DrFlipper wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That vaccination timeline is... interesting. But it would be a wild conspiracy to say more.

That document is incredibly long and I didn’t find any mention of vaccination in the sections I skimmed. What is the timeline you’re referring to?

From the Google doc, he had COVID in 2020 and made a quick and full recovery.

On May 6th 2021 he had his second vaccination and, almost immediately, all of his bizarre health issues began.

Search "COVID-19 January 11th 2020" to jump to this section.

Re: Brandon Gilles Dies from Long-Covid, Electrical Engineer and Spatial AI Pioneer

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Post by haldujai »

latchkey wrote: post #13
haldujai wrote: post #7

With all respect to Brandon Gilles, I have never heard of "dying from long covid" before and am trying to understand what this means. There is a huge discrepancy and a lot of detail missing between "developed Long-COVID symptoms such as brain fog, fatigue, muscle pain and shortness of breath" and "he suffered from multiple organ failures". I tried searching but have not found anything (yes I know some death certifica…

It was an easy google search ("covid multiple organ failure") with a bunch of responses, including: https://medicine.wustl.edu/news/repeat-covid-19-infections-i... https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/jmv.27627 https://bmcinfectdis.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s128...

All of your sources are about acute or active covid infection. As a physician who worked in an ECMO center during the pandemic I am well aware of severe Covid-19 infections and as I stated in my post I tried searching, specifically looking on: UpToDate, Medscape and Google Scholar.

I am asking about "long-covid", also called "post covid condition". From Brandon's own description he had what would be classified as "mild COVID-19 illness" and was never hospitalized. He had some persistent symptoms that may be attributable to "long-covid", this is very different from your sources.

I have never heard of a death from long-term sequelae in someone who has never been hospitalized.

Re: Brandon Gilles Dies from Long-Covid, Electrical Engineer and Spatial AI Pioneer

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Post by quenched »

haldujai wrote: post #7

With all respect to Brandon Gilles, I have never heard of "dying from long covid" before and am trying to understand what this means. There is a huge discrepancy and a lot of detail missing between "developed Long-COVID symptoms such as brain fog, fatigue, muscle pain and shortness of breath" and "he suffered from multiple organ failures". I tried searching but have not found anything (yes I know some death certifica…

While long Covid is an encompassing term, there is symptom overlap between long COVID and ME/CFS. Around 50% of people with long COVID meet the criteria for a diagnosis of ME/CFS.

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41577-023-00904-7

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41579-022-00846-2

https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fneur.2023.1090...

Mild ME/CFS is usually associated with around 50% reduction in daily functioning. Moderate will usually lead to people being housebound and intermittently bed-bound. Severe and very severe are associated with a level of suffering that is hard to imagine possible.

An example of someone becoming severe is PhysicsGirl - Dianna Cowern.

https://youtu.be/vydgkCCXbTA

The associated severe dysautonomia means that people are unable to sit or stand and often they can not eat or digest. They may require intravenous nutrition. Regrettably there are cases where the disease has not been treated appropriately and young people have died as a result. A recent example is Maeve Boothby-O'Neill and her father Sean O'Neill wrote in The Times with an interview with Maeve's Mother by Dr David Tuller.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/my-daughter-couldnt-be-sa...

https://www.codastory.com/waronscience/chronic-fatigue-syndr...

Re: Brandon Gilles Dies from Long-Covid, Electrical Engineer and Spatial AI Pioneer

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Post by haldujai »

slowmovintarget wrote: post #15
haldujai wrote: post #7

With all respect to Brandon Gilles, I have never heard of "dying from long covid" before and am trying to understand what this means. There is a huge discrepancy and a lot of detail missing between "developed Long-COVID symptoms such as brain fog, fatigue, muscle pain and shortness of breath" and "he suffered from multiple organ failures". I tried searching but have not found anything (yes I know some death certifica…

That site is bizarre. The text was made unselectable for some reason. It also appears to be a rehash of some other random site. This is a bit better: https://twitter.com/BrandonGilles/status/1686937347819233280

Interesting, it affirms his timeline in the Google doc that he was improving up to April 2023.

I can't rationalize how any of the symptoms he described, and having undergone many medical tests which were not described as indicating any end-organ dysfunction, would result in to organ failure which I've never heard of happening "out of the blue".

I fully respect his family's right to privacy and of course don't expect a full disclosure. The physician in me is very interested in learning more about what happened in either his or another case. From a medical perspective this is a very shocking turn of events that has not yet been described to my knowledge.

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