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Re: Tell HN: t.co is adding a five-second delay to some domains

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Post by cornel_io »

mutant_glofish wrote: post #43
dang wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It isn't banned in comments - https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&que... , https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&que... , etc. We probably banned it for submissions because we want original sources at the top level.

And how was the decision made to ban Federalist, but not say Guardian or The Daily Beast? Do you have any process in place to ensure that your political biases don't influence the list, or you don't care about that?

I'm guessing it's reactive, and Federalist links tended to be garbage often enough to convince someone they should hit the ban button, whereas the others didn't rise up with trash often enough to matter?

Re: Tell HN: t.co is adding a five-second delay to some domains

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Post by craftkiller »

kens wrote: post #15

I can confirm. NYT shows a five-second redirect delay: "wget https://t.co/4fs609qwWt ". It redirects to gov.uk immediately: "wget https://t.co/iigzas6QBx "

Oddly enough the delay is reduced to 1 second by using curl's useragent string (wget --user-agent='curl/8.2.1' https://t.co/4fs609qwWt)

Re: Tell HN: t.co is adding a five-second delay to some domains

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Post by mutant_glofish »

dang wrote: post #20
mutant_glofish wrote: post #18

I think that HN itself also shadow flags submissions from a list of domains it doesn't like. Try submitting a URL from the following domains, and it will be automatically flagged (but you can't see it's flagged unless you log out): - archive.is - watcher.guru - stacker.news - zerohedge.com - freebeacon.com - thefederalist.com - breitbart.com

Well, yes, many sites are banned on HN. Others are penalized (see e.g. https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&que... ). None of this is secret, though we don't publish the lists themselves. Edit: about 67k sites are banned on HN. Here's a random selection of 10 of them: vodlockertv.com biggboss.org infoocode.com newyorkpersonalinjuryattorneyblog.com moringajuice.wordpress.com surrogacymumbai.com max…

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Re: Tell HN: t.co is adding a five-second delay to some domains

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Post by ehPReth »

dlgeek wrote: post #29
lemper wrote: post #4

i mean, you can stop visiting the site, no? just leave, bro. it's not that hard. there are other means to connect to people.

Unfortunately not. All of my local government agencies - Police, Fire, DOT, Weather Service, Emergency Management updates, etc. are exclusively on twitter - they frequently post things there they don't even post to their own websites.

I'm in the same boat :/.

Re: Tell HN: t.co is adding a five-second delay to some domains

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Post by mutant_glofish »

dang wrote: post #45
jemmyw wrote: post #35

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Would be nice if the lists were published though with a link to the list from the submission form.

The problem is that if you publish the lists it leads to more abuses. For example if spammers find out which sites are banned then they just post other ones.

> For example if spammers find out which sites are banned then they just post other ones.

I don't think that makes sense. The supposed spammers can just try looking up whether their submissions show up or not when not logged in.

Re: Tell HN: t.co is adding a five-second delay to some domains

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Post by [deleted] »

mutant_glofish wrote: post #43
dang wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It isn't banned in comments - https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&que... , https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&que... , etc. We probably banned it for submissions because we want original sources at the top level.

And how was the decision made to ban Federalist, but not say Guardian or The Daily Beast? Do you have any process in place to ensure that your political biases don't influence the list, or you don't care about that?

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Re: Tell HN: t.co is adding a five-second delay to some domains

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Post by lcnPylGDnU4H9OF »

mutant_glofish wrote: post #55
dang wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The problem is that if you publish the lists it leads to more abuses. For example if spammers find out which sites are banned then they just post other ones.

> For example if spammers find out which sites are banned then they just post other ones. I don't think that makes sense. The supposed spammers can just try looking up whether their submissions show up or not when not logged in.

That also requires additional effort on the spammers’ part. Increasing cost of attacks is an effective defense strategy.

Re: Tell HN: t.co is adding a five-second delay to some domains

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Post by chasing »

mutant_glofish wrote: post #43
dang wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It isn't banned in comments - https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&que... , https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&que... , etc. We probably banned it for submissions because we want original sources at the top level.

And how was the decision made to ban Federalist, but not say Guardian or The Daily Beast? Do you have any process in place to ensure that your political biases don't influence the list, or you don't care about that?

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Re: Tell HN: t.co is adding a five-second delay to some domains

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Post by renewiltord »

mutant_glofish wrote: post #53
dang wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, yes, many sites are banned on HN. Others are penalized (see e.g. https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&que... ). None of this is secret, though we don't publish the lists themselves. Edit: about 67k sites are banned on HN. Here's a random selection of 10 of them: vodlockertv.com biggboss.org infoocode.com newyorkpersonalinjuryattorneyblog.com moringajuice.wordpress.com surrogacymumbai.com max…

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Well, unless surrogacymumbai.com is where we post right-wing news from, that's hardly a problem, eh?

Re: Tell HN: t.co is adding a five-second delay to some domains

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Post by mutant_glofish »

chasing wrote: post #58
mutant_glofish wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And how was the decision made to ban Federalist, but not say Guardian or The Daily Beast? Do you have any process in place to ensure that your political biases don't influence the list, or you don't care about that?

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> It's under no obligation to be politically balanced.

And obviously, I'm under no obligation to not voice my concern about that.

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