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Re: Tell HN: t.co is adding a five-second delay to some domains

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Post by dang »

mutant_glofish wrote: post #21
dang wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, yes, many sites are banned on HN. Others are penalized (see e.g. https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&que... ). None of this is secret, though we don't publish the lists themselves. Edit: about 67k sites are banned on HN. Here's a random selection of 10 of them: vodlockertv.com biggboss.org infoocode.com newyorkpersonalinjuryattorneyblog.com moringajuice.wordpress.com surrogacymumbai.com max…

And you don't see that as censorship?

The word censorship has so many meanings that I have to ask what you mean by it before I can say whether I see it that way.

Is it censorship that the rules of chess say you can't poke someone's queen off the board? We're trying to play a particular game here.

Re: Tell HN: t.co is adding a five-second delay to some domains

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Post by jquery »

mutant_glofish wrote: post #18

I think that HN itself also shadow flags submissions from a list of domains it doesn't like. Try submitting a URL from the following domains, and it will be automatically flagged (but you can't see it's flagged unless you log out): - archive.is - watcher.guru - stacker.news - zerohedge.com - freebeacon.com - thefederalist.com - breitbart.com

the wise man bowed his head solemnly and spoke: "theres actually zero difference between good & bad things." -- @dril

Re: Tell HN: t.co is adding a five-second delay to some domains

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Post by mutant_glofish »

dang wrote: post #31
mutant_glofish wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How's archive.is "weird propaganda"?

It isn't banned in comments - https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&que... , https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&que... , etc. We probably banned it for submissions because we want original sources at the top level.

And how was the decision made to ban Federalist, but not say Guardian or The Daily Beast? Do you have any process in place to ensure that your political biases don't influence the list, or you don't care about that?

Re: Tell HN: t.co is adding a five-second delay to some domains

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Post by thereare5lights »

c0t300 wrote: post #2

you could maybe show some testing? if that's true, then it should be measurable

they already told you they did tested it and you don't believe them.

what else could they say that would make you believe them?

you might as well just test it yourself like i did with time wget. it's not like you're going to believe anything anyone writes.

Re: Tell HN: t.co is adding a five-second delay to some domains

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Post by dang »

jemmyw wrote: post #35
dang wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, yes, many sites are banned on HN. Others are penalized (see e.g. https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&que... ). None of this is secret, though we don't publish the lists themselves. Edit: about 67k sites are banned on HN. Here's a random selection of 10 of them: vodlockertv.com biggboss.org infoocode.com newyorkpersonalinjuryattorneyblog.com moringajuice.wordpress.com surrogacymumbai.com max…

Would be nice if the lists were published though with a link to the list from the submission form.

The problem is that if you publish the lists it leads to more abuses. For example if spammers find out which sites are banned then they just post other ones.

Re: Tell HN: t.co is adding a five-second delay to some domains

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Post by _a9 »

kens wrote: post #15

I can confirm. NYT shows a five-second redirect delay: "wget https://t.co/4fs609qwWt ". It redirects to gov.uk immediately: "wget https://t.co/iigzas6QBx "

Im not getting the same time delay with curl

- `time wget https://t.co/4fs609qwWt` -> `0m5.389s`

- `time curl -L https://t.co/4fs609qwWt` -> `0m1.158s`

Re: Tell HN: t.co is adding a five-second delay to some domains

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Post by lemper »

chasing wrote: post #14
lemper wrote: post #4

i mean, you can stop visiting the site, no? just leave, bro. it's not that hard. there are other means to connect to people.

You're right! Which is why making Twitter's product worse when there are active competitors taking big bites out of their business seems... dumb?

yep, it also seems to me that the helmsman of that site is dumb. good thing i left that site many years ago.

Re: Tell HN: t.co is adding a five-second delay to some domains

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Post by mutant_glofish »

dang wrote: post #41
mutant_glofish wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And you don't see that as censorship?

The word censorship has so many meanings that I have to ask what you mean by it before I can say whether I see it that way. Is it censorship that the rules of chess say you can't poke someone's queen off the board? We're trying to play a particular game here.

> The word censorship has so many meanings that I have to ask what you mean by it before I can say whether I see it that way.

Perhaps its one of those things that are hard to define. [1] But that doesn't mean clear cases don't exist.

> Is it censorship that the rules of chess say you can't poke someone's queen off the board? We're trying to play a particular game here.

No, but it is clearly political censorship if you only apply the unwritten and secret "rules" of the game to a particular political faction. Also, banning entire domain names is definitely heavy-handed.

[1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I_know_it_when_I_see_it

Re: Tell HN: t.co is adding a five-second delay to some domains

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Post by monkeywork »

dang wrote: post #41
mutant_glofish wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And you don't see that as censorship?

The word censorship has so many meanings that I have to ask what you mean by it before I can say whether I see it that way. Is it censorship that the rules of chess say you can't poke someone's queen off the board? We're trying to play a particular game here.

that is a very interesting way of communicating that point. thank you filing that away :)
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