Internet Archive responds to recording industry lawsuit targeting obsolete media

Post by AnthonyMouse » Tue, Aug 15, 2023, 3:53 AM UTC

causality0 wrote: post #45

harshreality wrote: post #27

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Counterpoint: It wasn't like IA people woke up one day and decided to give publishers the middle finger because they felt like it. Trump had declared a national emergency due to COVID-19, under the guise of which Biden later tried to forgive hundreds of billions of dollars of student loans because he felt like it. Libraries were shut down and inaccessible to a lot of people during pandemic lockdowns. The NEL involved…

if you're a publisher or make a living as a self-published author and you aren't keeping tabs on major book-related news, isn't that on you? Most people would think they don't have to worry about it because there are these things called laws that say you can't make unlimited copies of copyrighted material. Which is what the IA did, independent of the fact they didn't allow their users to also make unlimited copies. D…

Post by mlyle » Tue, Aug 15, 2023, 4:00 AM UTC

ramraj07 wrote: post #66

mlyle wrote: post #28

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> My guess is that they are arguing fair use, but I just don't see how that applies here when they make copyrighted works available, for free, over the Internet. The fourth part of the fair use test rests on whether the use of the work impacts the commercial market for the work. Given these works are often: - Not offered in their original form - Would likely have little residual commercial value if so offered - And,…

Couldn’t one argue that while there’s _minimal_ commercial viability of this work now, it’s still not zero? And that by making these available they could make it zero?

Post by userbinator » Tue, Aug 15, 2023, 4:07 AM UTC

isykt wrote: post #92

blooalien wrote: post #50

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Torrents and pinned IPFS stashes stored on machines in countries with "free-er" copyright laws would probably be an easy way to start.

There are hundreds of people on r/datahoarders that would gladly mirror it many times over.

Post by isykt » Tue, Aug 15, 2023, 4:26 AM UTC

userbinator wrote: post #95

isykt wrote: post #92

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There are hundreds of people on r/datahoarders that would gladly mirror it many times over.

Do they have the space? From what I've read, the Internet Archive is huge .

Post by slaymaker1907 » Tue, Aug 15, 2023, 4:38 AM UTC

hn_throwaway_99 wrote: post #6

While I strongly disagree with the length of copyright protection, after reading this and reading more about the case, from a purely legal perspective, I just don't see how IA has any defense. They basically just seem to be saying "these are old records, so we should be able to copy them. Also, our work is mainly for academic researchers." My guess is that they are arguing fair use, but I just don't see how that appl…