Ask HN: Getting Rid of the Founder?
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#22I would assume I am misreading the social context.
YMMV. Good luck.
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#23I've been in this situation a couple of times. In both situations the board ended up replacing the founder. The first time, the entire investment team and board were what I think of as "vanity VC"—basically a group of angels who knew each other, and while they were all good at their day jobs, they were just as bad at running the company through their replacement as the founder was, and the company, while still around the company is basically treading water.
In the second situation I joined a startup and its founder CEO was replaced about a year after I got there. At first we were all pretty on edge over this, but overall I think it was a good move—the investors are legit, and the replacement CEO is experienced, with a couple of exits in the sector under their belt. I believe this one is going to have a good ending.
Bottom line, the only leverage you've got is your time and where you spend it. If you believe in the mission but not the founder, your best bet is to find another company in the same vertical and spend your time there... but vet the management team carefully! (as always...)
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#26Knowing how to adopt an assertive mindset while maintaining your humility, and learning how to make and receive constructive criticism are key, in my opinion, to fostering an open dialogue that works to keep everyone on the same wavelength and more or less aligned with the common goals. It means everyone is comfortable with asking questions and raising concerns without fear of being met with hostility or an overly defensive posture. Issues are then addressed more quickly, before they can become entrenched problems, and without giving anyone an opportunity to stew about, nurturing resentments.
It sounds simple (and in many ways, it is) but it’s surprisingly counterintuitive, and usually requires conscious effort and practice before it becomes “normal”. Humans tend to be non-confrontational by nature, and practicing effective critique necessarily requires confrontations, albeit civil ones. I had a very small textbook from a college photography class I took that focused entirely on how to engage with criticism formally, and I believe that it made me a better photographer than any of the theoretical and practical study specific to photographs. I believe it also contributed significantly to my personal growth and professional development, as I became exponentially better at working with a team.
I tried to list some of the specific ideas that I took away from it, but it started to sound like a self-help advert, so I’ll leave it there. Learning to have hard discussions gracefully and pragmatically can be a superpower for a functional team.
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#27Your CEO’s primary job is to steer the ship and inspire employees.
They’re exhibiting personality traits that aren’t fixable in most people that I’ve seen this in over my career. They likely will never change and almost certainly not in the middle of this startup experience.
Yes you invested time in building this idea, and you can take everything you learned and your experience on with you in your career. If you vested some equity or wait till you do so then you can also benefit from it’s success. But from what you describe this CEO is likely one of the 90% of startups that fail so I wouldn’t hold my breath.
Good luck, on to the next.
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#28Investors invest in a vision and people/teams. You're an employee, not the funded team. You may feel you're more than a wage taker, do the investors agree you are not a fungible coder?
Development isn't that hard. Hard CS gets done in environments that are not about pushing to market, that's commercial coding, mainly doing not hard stuff in a new environment. What's hard is linking everything, code, customers, vision, offline... The code is the essential but not that hard bit. Plus, are you blinkered to your contribution so much you cannot observe the vision. Just a coder doing the predictive, doable part where elsewhere chaos needs to be lived in.
Ask yourself these questions.
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#30Hmmmmm.
I agree with other commenter - polish up your resume.
You can try to have a chat with them, but they'll hate you and you might get fired.
You can go to the investors, but they'll hate you and you might get fired.
You can send an anonymouse letter to ceo and/or investors and try not to get outed but seeing as how you're brave enough to post here you'll prob be first fired.
I don't think your situation is unique at all.
You can always quit, into another company or not.
If I'm your bestie, I'm saying, don't do shit. Let dictator run it into the ground. Amazingly, they might not. AI is so hot, if you got funding, you might be lucky enough to stick around.
Companies can survive and thrive with even a seemingly-catastrophic amount of mismanagement and chaos -- including nepotism and outright criminal activity.
KGTC keep getting them checks. save your money. start interviewing lightly. try to make it to the point the CEO either runs the company into the ground, or they are pushed out by the investors.