The elite's war on remote work has nothing to do with productivity

Post by FrustratedMonky » Mon, Aug 14, 2023, 11:40 AM UTC

kolbe wrote: post #321

FrustratedMonky wrote: post #307

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Except, She never said any of that. Since the article is in line with what you said, coordination could be through commissioning a Harvard writer, or lobbying, or regulation, either way it isn't explicitly stated. I get the impression that you are arguing against a point of view that you are assuming. This is clearly you, reading (a lot) into what she said, and then reacting to your own pre-formed perceptions of an a…

The only way in which she anything she said could be consistent with mine is if she used the term "the elites" to mean very specifically "CRE investors." This is a definition she never once even implied, let alone stated.

Post by malaya_zemlya » Mon, Aug 14, 2023, 12:01 PM UTC

birksherty wrote: post #336

NotYourLawyer wrote: post #272

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People want to see “the elites” as one homogeneous cabal out to protect themselves at the expense of the little guy. In reality, it’s a bunch of self-interested individuals whose incentives don’t overlap here. The companies using office space have no reason to waste money helping out their landlords, and would much rather profit by screwing them over. As you say, this theory does not make much sense.

Makes sense because rich business owners helping other rich people is a thing. These are not landlords, they are big companies.

Post by defrost » Mon, Aug 14, 2023, 12:15 PM UTC

constantcrying wrote: post #344

FrustratedMonky wrote: post #342

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Yes? and The US also has regulations. And Republicans argue that both are socialism. Half of the country thinks "anything the government does is socialism" and campaigns to stop it, or get rid of it, or handicaps it, or how it is just evil and control. Basically to the right: 'government' = 'socialism'. And they haven't realized yet they are arguing for anarchy.

>"anything the government does is socialism" I thought republicans wanted to strengthen borders? I do not follow US politics, but I never heard anyone advocating that taxation should be abolished. Seems a bizarre claim. Here in Germany parties publish the platforms they are running on, is there something similar in the US?

Post by Kamq » Mon, Aug 14, 2023, 12:34 PM UTC

sudosysgen wrote: post #329

Kamq wrote: post #327

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There's a fundamental difference here in that these examples exist before the state had a monopoly on legitimate violence. Or, to put it another way, the large landowners you're referring to, also had large armies, the largest armies around by definition, otherwise they wouldn't have owned that land. They _were_ the state in their area, in the modern sense. That's not private ownership of the means of production.

That's completely untrue for Rome, and barely true at all for France in those days. Roman landowners did not own their land by stealing it from other citizens with large armies. They owned their land by either receiving it from the state as payment, or by buying it. The Roman state had a definite monopoly on violence. In fact, when people commanded armies to take power in Rome, what they were trying to do was to take…

Post by JeremyNT » Mon, Aug 14, 2023, 2:18 PM UTC

rsynnott wrote: post #238

This is a very popular idea, but it doesn’t make a huge amount of _sense_. Most office-oriented employers don’t own much if any real estate; they lease it. And unless they’re really huge, what _they_ do has very little influence on the price of real estate generally; they’ve no individual incentive here. Arguably a mild counter—incentive; it’s generally to their benefit, as renters of real estate, if future real-esta…